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  1. Matt
    Matt
    December 24, 2009 at 11:19 am | | Reply


    Also, Youtube has “Match of the 70s” and “Match of the 80s” – go watch all 40 parts of those.

    They are fantastic.

  2. pyromadison
    pyromadison
    December 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm | | Reply


    What about torres ? also i think Wenger should be the coach :)

  3. Tyson
    Tyson
    December 24, 2009 at 1:19 pm | | Reply


    From 2000 onwards Manchester United have dominated capturing 6 PL titles.

    A couple of years Chelsea looked unbeatable interrupting Manchester Uniteds haul of trophies.

    I wonder what the future holds. Will Chelsea be the superpower they were under Mourinho in the next decade, will Manchester United continue their PL dominance of the last 17 years?

    One wager I am willing to make is over the next decade Manchester United will be Asian/Chinese owned.

    With the popularity that Manchester United has in Asia at the moment that club is going to get bought out by Asian businessmen sooner rather than later. I’ve been out there and you’d think you were in the middle of Manchester with the way people have adopted that club it’s unbelievable.

  4. Matt
    Matt
    December 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm | | Reply


    Watch the Damned United as a ‘starting point’ for an introduction to English football culture? Hardly. If anything I would actively encourage any ‘fan’ of the English football (the ‘EPL’ being a strange acronym never used in England) to avoid doing so.

    The Premier League doesn’t allow you to learn about English football as a ‘culture, institution and a way of life’. It’s a spectacle that you nor I can relate to. Football (as we knew it) is dead. Long live football.

    One single Hans van der Meer photograph says more about the beautiful game than 97 minutes of The Damned United can.

    1. The Gaffer
      December 24, 2009 at 1:52 pm | | Reply


      Matt, I respectfully disagree. I had the good fortune of seeing The Damned United last night in a small independent movie theatre near me, and I think the film is required viewing by all soccer fans who follow the Premier League and/or Premier League clubs.

      Why? One, it provides an excellent history of where English football came from and how unfashionable clubs such as Derby County, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest achieved great success. And two, it shows how far English football has come from the dark and dingy corridors of the Baseball Ground to the modern stadiums.

      I’m not familiar with Hans van der Meer, but I’m checking out his photographs right now at http://hansvandermeer.nl/ and I’m really impressed so far.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      PS – While EPL is definitely not a widely used acronym in the UK, it is used now and again even by the mainstream press there. But outside of the UK, it’s an appropriate acronym based on all of the other Premier Leagues out there (there are several throughout the world).

    2. Jesse
      Jesse
      December 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm | | Reply


      Matt,

      Thanks for your comment. I myself just finished Brilliant Orange by David Winner this past month. It’s definitely an essential read for any fan of the beautiful game and of course features many passages (and even photos) of Hans van der Meer. A true talent! – and an incredible read.

      Curious though, why do you feel The Damned United doesn’t serve as a starting point for new fans to English football? You didn’t really give any reason as to why? The book from which the film originates is self-described (by the author, David Peace) “a fiction based on fact”. So sure, there may be some creative freedom taken by the author, however Brian Clough (a very important figure in English football history) did in fact only last 44 days at Leeds United – a great club in English Football, and the events that are portrayed in the film were in fact actual events that took place in English football in the 1970′s. Love them or hate them, all the players, coaches and individuals in the film are also important figures in the history of football in England – Don Revie, Billy Bremner and Peter Taylor to name a few. This is history whether you agree with me or not.

      Also, I challenge you to re-read the article with a more open mind. I, like many other football fans do in fact agree that football has definitely “changed” over the years – influx of money, foreign players, available on TV word wide, etc. – but I do not believe football is dead, and will in fact never really die. Unsure as to what you meant by that.

  5. Matt
    Matt
    December 25, 2009 at 3:52 am | | Reply


    An attempt to clarify the vague nonsense I previous posted.

    I think the Damned United is a great film. It’s entertaining, without doubt. Unfortunately it is (as you say) fiction based on fact and should be seen with that in mind – not as a starting point for ‘research’. Ask John Giles what he thinks of it – ‘there is much about the film that is simply not true.’ If you insist on doing so, it’s worth reading ‘We are the Damned United’ by Phil Rostron for factual clarification.

    How ‘far’ has football come? You cite modern stadia as an example of ‘progress’. In my opinion, it’s the exact opposite. We’ve traded relative comfort for soul. I’m not anti-progress, nor opposed to change (per se) but as a supporter of one of those unfashionable clubs I think the Premier League is slowing nullifying what made so many fall in love with this game. It’s ripping the game from the fabric of society, and selling the rights to it’s death throes to the highest bidder.

    I follow one of those unfashionable clubs. I’ve seen my local side play Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan…and…Brentford, Yeovil and Exeter. While I loved those European nights and can’t wait to return to our former heights to see quality football, I’ll miss Griffin Park and Roots Hall with a passion. The MK Bowl is enough for me. The JJB, Riverside, Pride Park et al, no thanks. As someone who would rather see my club win a corner than England win the World Cup, I can’t help but wonder whether ‘another year down here’ might not be such a bad thing after all.

    Football in the top flight is not what it was and this isn’t teary eyed sentimentalism. It’s dead. I read the article with an open mind, but from a different perspective. I live in a grim Northern town. Football nor the Premier League have grown ‘ten-fold’ in their popularity. Sky Sports say ‘we know how you feel, because we feel the same’. They don’t. If they did they wouldn’t be rearranging games at a whim to suit their broadcasting needs.

    I agree with much that was said, in terms of the Premier League as ‘spectacle’ (we’ve seen some wonderful football over the last ten years) but not English football as ‘culture, institution and a way of life’. It’s a different game altogether. I find the knowledge of many American ‘soccer’ fans impressive and admire their enthusiasm for the game. I just urge them to look away from the beautifully packaged sell of the Premier League. It’s soul no longer lay in Old Trafford or Emirates, but has been scattered to those ‘dark and dingy corridors’ of our lower leagues.

    If I owe football that which I know most surely about morality and the duty of man, the last decade has been one of harsh lessons.

    Happy Christmas!

    Matt

  6. Shakira
    Shakira
    December 27, 2009 at 3:19 pm | | Reply


    This decade in the EPL will always be marked with the most embarrassing season a Derby fan had to endure in the clubs history. I don’t know how I made it through that season, I do know a lot of alcohol was involved, w/out disowning Derby. Sadly that record will not be broken any time soon.

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