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  1. chris
    chris
    June 29, 2009 at 12:41 pm | | Reply


    Our guys did so great in this game…I knew they had it in them to compete with the best of best in the world. we showed brasil that they should prolly never ever think we will be a push over no more. Spain knows this now. And I think everybody now should know the Spain game was no fluke considering how we played aginst Brasil. Anybody can make statments well Spain made mistakes blah blah this. Well the fact is we shut spain down from scoring and we took advantage of the chances we had to score. Same thing we did against Brasil. Also in this game I believe the Brasilians are not as good as people think they are. This whole tournament I thought they played horriable, If your brasilian I would think you would have been expectng brasil to play better than they did in this tournament. To almost get beat by egypt has to be an complete disgrace. I dont think they have the amazing talent like they have had in the past years. and It has been shown that the Brasilians can be beat by anybody, they are not just plum “amazing”. So I think the USA is back to thier winning ways like the way they was before the costa rica game. We have shown we will be good contenders for next summers world cup and nobody should overlook us. We have everything to be proud of with this tournament result. We can back from the bottom of the table wanting to get somewheres and we did that. nobody cant take that away from us.

    ps. I bet there was alot of brasilians in brasil shitting thier pants yesterday. im sure they thought ahhh we will beat USA with ease lol. I guess they will prolly think twice about that.

  2. edgar
    edgar
    June 29, 2009 at 3:17 pm | | Reply


    Wow! What an article! Exactly how i feel word for word. Thanks.

  3. anton
    anton
    June 29, 2009 at 6:32 pm | | Reply


    didn’t prove a thing other than how slow brazil’s defenders are and their early over commitment. if anything it proved the amazing fire-power and confidence of a brazilian side and its commitment to attacking football. if brazil had played like the usa played the first half, you would have seen a 2-0 or 3-0 win. You begin to see the difference in fire-power when you consider it should have been 4-2 as kaka’s goal was obviously a goal. I also proved that tim howard is one of the best keepers in the world. the amount of punishment he took in the first half without allowing a goal was amazing.

    it also proved how sub-par the brazilians defense it. Thank goodness they more than made up for it with offense. It becomes even more clear how much better brazil was than the USA when considering the stats:

    USA (USA) Statistics Brazil (BRA)
    9 Shots 31
    4 Shots on goal 13
    2 Goals Scored 3
    17 Fouls Committed 11
    11 Fouls Suffered 15
    5 Corner kicks 10
    9 Free kicks Shots (scored) 21
    0 / 0 Penalty Kicks (Goals/Shots) 0 / 0
    1 Offsides 6
    0 Own goals 0
    1 Yellow cards 3
    0 Second yellow card and red card 0
    0 Red Cards 0
    27 Actual playing time 40
    41% Possession (%) 59%

    So we have a USA that falls to costa rica and a USA than can beat spain. They seem very efficient at converting easy goals. What I see here is not how good the USA is, but how stupid brasil and spain are in underestimating the USA’s speed on counter-attack. I have a feeling that now that the cat is out of the bag, teams will line up tactically against the USA much differently, and the overnight success of the US team will be nullified once again.

  4. Thomas
    Thomas
    June 29, 2009 at 7:33 pm | | Reply


    I think most teams, especially managed by a good manager, know the US approach. We do it against all the good teams we play. It’s no different than any other team that is inferior in terms of talent. Of course we are going to sit back, defend, and hit teams on the counter.

    More than anything, I think the last 3 games gave our guys a huge boost in confidence.

    To put a positive spin on the loss: At least it seems our guys are very hungry to continue to go out and prove they belong. Had they won, it would have been great, but there’s a chance for complacency.

    Spain, and the first half against Brasil gave us the confidence to know we can compete. But it also humbled us. We have to continue to work hard to get better.

    Overall, I was proud of the way the team played. A win would have been magnificent, but none the less, this was a great game to watch.

  5. chris
    chris
    June 30, 2009 at 12:34 am | | Reply


    I am just wanting to see the mens team get into the world cup and come in and play like they were playing in the semi finals and finals. if they do this and work on the smaller things they were talking about then we will be fine. what i hated was my brasilian friends rubbing this in my face, for one thing I dont think brasil now days are just not the team they used to be. It has been shown in this tournament and the game they played against paraguay and really all thier qualifers. I have watched thier qualifers on tv and while watching i was thinking to myself arent they susspose to be dominating these teams. I realize how diffacult the South American Region is. but I also thought Brasil was a real big dominating team. The game they played in Ecuador was horrible they managed to draw with them. the game against Peru they had that one won…the game against Urauguay…they played good but slacked like they did against Egypt but didnt let any goals happen. The Paraguay game…I will say they were prolly lucky they won that game. So I do not see brasil going far in this world cup if they qaulify. I do know they are sitting on the top of the table in the South American Region but anything can happen. I see Spain becoming the team that people will have to watch out for even though we beat them. I just see something more from Spain than i do from Brasil. I cant quite place it but Spain see to have more control of things than Brasil do…I dunno maybe i am crazy. But I just disliked it when my Brasilian friends seem to think that we were never going to win that game. and they wasnt saying anything until they scored. So I know that they know we have talent and they wasnt going to admit that we were on our way to beating them and didnt know how the game was going to end up, like they usally would with any other team brasil were playing.

  6. Andrew
    Andrew
    June 30, 2009 at 10:14 am | | Reply


    so after how many of these great job but you let up a 2 nil lead but we are still proud do we start to expect more?
    I say 3?

  7. John Harris
    John Harris
    June 30, 2009 at 10:47 am | | Reply


    Anton, spouting statistics in the way you have just exposes the fact that you don’t understand football. Stats are for the geeks who like American sports. A free flowing game with real tactics like football doesn’t need stats to tell the story. For years the USMNT has relied on organization defensively and counter attacking and has tended to cede possession against good opponents and away from him in qualifying. Spain outshot the USA 29-9 yet had what I would describe as one stone cold chance to score a goal. Otherwise most of the chances were 1/2 chances or from tight angles when our defense was spaced well and the keeper was in position.

    Stats NEVER tell the story in football.

  8. Andrei
    Andrei
    June 30, 2009 at 1:03 pm | | Reply


    @Chris, are you saying that USMNT was up 2 against not so good Brazilian team and still managed to loose?

    @John Harris, yes stats never tell the whole story but it helps in countering some claims that US dominated in the first half. Yes, US played well but dominating the game – I don’t think so.

  9. chris
    chris
    June 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm | | Reply


    I mean the Brasilain team is always going to have some kind talent always. they will always be somewhat good but from the looks of it there is nobody there that is shock and awe and will be able to jsut run over teams like they used to. I never said the brasilian team is worse than the USA team. I think they are not that great. we showed that we can compete with them and give them hell in a match and can beat them . Im saying Brasil has alot of work to do and there are btter teams than them. and yes i will say that we arent the best in the world, I will admit that. but we are making our way there…and i think the Brasilians day of being one of the best teams in the world is gone. Its also obvious that if we didnt tire out from such an agressive and attacking and countering mode in the first half we would have won that game. because we would still have a whole lot of gas to do the same thing we did in the first half if we didnt tire out. It was very noticeable, its not like we didnt have the talent. It very easy to loose a game when your tired and cant keep up. We are perfectley able to compete with anybody and get the job done and win games agains the best. we just need to work on smaller things and learn how to balance out when to do things and just not coming out like a bat out of hell and run out of gas. if you get what im saying.

  10. anton
    anton
    June 30, 2009 at 4:14 pm | | Reply


    stats never tell the story. that’s a first. please come back from your american soccer world and enter the real football world. idiot. i’ve never followed american sports in my life.

    9 Shots 31
    4 Shots on goal 13
    41% Possession (%) 59%

    the only way that doesn’t tell you something is if you can’t read. those stats tell me that brasil has far superior ball control and morement skills.

  11. Kartik Krishnaiyer
    June 30, 2009 at 4:33 pm | | Reply


    Anton- I agree with the above comments. As someone who has watched the USMNT for the better part of 25 years I think you are discounting the way the US has played from a style standpoint. Yes stats can tell a story but not the whole story. Spain outshot the USA 29-9. Brazil 31-9. Does that mean Spain’s performance was nearly as efficient as Brazil’s? Brazil had about 10 good shots on goal, Spain had maybe 2 (Shots on target is one of the most misleading stats in football. Spain had a lot of shots on target but not many shots that would have beaten the keeper unless it is “calamity” James.)

    USA having 41% of the possession is actually faily high given the style we play. That’s an ode to Dunga’s new Brazilian style. In the game the US won 1998, the US had 34% possession and was outshot 24-4 and shots on target were 14-1.

  12. anton
    anton
    June 30, 2009 at 5:26 pm | | Reply


    of course i’m discounting the style. with this kind of reverse brainthink, we might soon be saying that stoke city was better than arsenal last season and relegated middlesbrough was better than liverpool. the defend / counter-attack approach never proves how good you are at actual football. it is at best a cheap tactic that is like playing russian roulette for teams with little real skill. sometimes it might get you the lucky win but most of the time you get the loss you deserve. anybody can create a wall in front of goal. that is not skill. skill is being able to control the ball and create chances. the sheer magnitude of chances created, possession, combined with the offside stats shows which team has real skill in this match IMHO. When USA can come an hold its own in the possession and attacking game, they will prove they actually have the SKILL to win matches consistently. Until then, they will have to resort to a cheap counter-attacking policy that may advance them at most to a certain level and the occasional lucky win.
    That’s my argument in full.

    Stats prove skill, not who will win the game. USA still has a long way to go on the world scene.

  13. chris
    chris
    June 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm | | Reply


    Anton, Those stats mean nothing if you cant get shit done. Spain took all those shots and never acutally hit one. with a team that is susspose to be that good they had better hit them.

    I think your terribley mistken by the USA team…we can compete with the best in the world.

    by the way we may have 2 guys coming to the team one Mexican American that plays for the Mexican National team and the other German American that plays for the German National team which they will be very good additon to the team.

    So you prolly should stop the critizing of the USA team. You will end up like my brasilians friends..when we went up 2-nil…shittin thier pants.

  14. Andrei
    Andrei
    June 30, 2009 at 8:03 pm | | Reply


    @Chris I think you are reflecting on the trend that the playing field in the world soccer is evening. Today, any team can pull an upset if it shows enough heart and stars align. But it doesn’t mean that the top teams have less talent. And on Sunday the way Brazil played in the second half was just stunning. Very few teams if any could have pulled something like that. In the semifinal, Spain was in the better position going into the second half. You know the result. More importantly, they didn’t come even close to the level of intensity and attacking power that Brazil showed.

    As for the US team – yes we can win. If we don’t tire out, if we catch some breaks, if we don’t get silly red cards for reckless tackles – lots of ifs. Not taking anything away from the US performance against Spain and Brazil what I saw in this tournament is a one dimensional team that can get a result if everything goes it’s way. Any deviation from the script and things start rapidly falling apart. Btw does anyone remember last time USMNT came from behind being down by 2 at the half time in the meaningful game?

  15. chris
    chris
    June 30, 2009 at 8:22 pm | | Reply


    So you think brasil acutally played good this whole tournament ?….I just dont think so…and not just this tournament they havent played like brasil used to play in thier qualifers. I am pretty sure if brasil met up with England, Or Spain or whoever they would have some real big problems…I am also pretty sure Dunga was sitting over wondering if he was going to have his job at the end of this game. But he turned out pretty lucky…you know there is a problem when brasilians are critizing how they are playing. Why would brasilians critize thier team if they were doing so great and awsome hahaha they would have no reason to. So there is obviously a problem. I am acutally a fan of the brasilian team but as a fan i have been disapointed in them. its also obvious we are not on the same level as brasil but we can compete with them and we have the talent to. I just know when it comes world cup time i think we will be fine and i think brasil may have problems…It may have been stunning for you to see the way they played in the second half. But if i was brasilian I would have said that should have never happened we should have been up 2-nil or 3- nil at halftime. Im prolly postive every Brasilian would say that. So the brasilians have a problem that they are letting teams do this. they are weak, and they arent always going to be able to come back from being 2 down. theres going to be a team out there thats going to not let them come back. for all i know if we meet up with brasil again its will prolly be us not letting them come back no matter how much they throw at us. Im acutally hoping our fellow english men will meet them soon. if the USA dosent get it done I turn to our family across the pond.

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