Comments on: Dempsey, Howard And USA Put Up A Great Fight In 3-2 Loss To Brazil http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889 Daily News & Analysis of the English Premier League Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:47:40 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: chris http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55424 chris Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:22:20 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55424 So you think brasil acutally played good this whole tournament ?....I just dont think so...and not just this tournament they havent played like brasil used to play in thier qualifers. I am pretty sure if brasil met up with England, Or Spain or whoever they would have some real big problems...I am also pretty sure Dunga was sitting over wondering if he was going to have his job at the end of this game. But he turned out pretty lucky...you know there is a problem when brasilians are critizing how they are playing. Why would brasilians critize thier team if they were doing so great and awsome hahaha they would have no reason to. So there is obviously a problem. I am acutally a fan of the brasilian team but as a fan i have been disapointed in them. its also obvious we are not on the same level as brasil but we can compete with them and we have the talent to. I just know when it comes world cup time i think we will be fine and i think brasil may have problems...It may have been stunning for you to see the way they played in the second half. But if i was brasilian I would have said that should have never happened we should have been up 2-nil or 3- nil at halftime. Im prolly postive every Brasilian would say that. So the brasilians have a problem that they are letting teams do this. they are weak, and they arent always going to be able to come back from being 2 down. theres going to be a team out there thats going to not let them come back. for all i know if we meet up with brasil again its will prolly be us not letting them come back no matter how much they throw at us. Im acutally hoping our fellow english men will meet them soon. if the USA dosent get it done I turn to our family across the pond. So you think brasil acutally played good this whole tournament ?….I just dont think so…and not just this tournament they havent played like brasil used to play in thier qualifers. I am pretty sure if brasil met up with England, Or Spain or whoever they would have some real big problems…I am also pretty sure Dunga was sitting over wondering if he was going to have his job at the end of this game. But he turned out pretty lucky…you know there is a problem when brasilians are critizing how they are playing. Why would brasilians critize thier team if they were doing so great and awsome hahaha they would have no reason to. So there is obviously a problem. I am acutally a fan of the brasilian team but as a fan i have been disapointed in them. its also obvious we are not on the same level as brasil but we can compete with them and we have the talent to. I just know when it comes world cup time i think we will be fine and i think brasil may have problems…It may have been stunning for you to see the way they played in the second half. But if i was brasilian I would have said that should have never happened we should have been up 2-nil or 3- nil at halftime. Im prolly postive every Brasilian would say that. So the brasilians have a problem that they are letting teams do this. they are weak, and they arent always going to be able to come back from being 2 down. theres going to be a team out there thats going to not let them come back. for all i know if we meet up with brasil again its will prolly be us not letting them come back no matter how much they throw at us. Im acutally hoping our fellow english men will meet them soon. if the USA dosent get it done I turn to our family across the pond.

]]> By: Andrei http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55421 Andrei Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:03:31 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55421 @Chris I think you are reflecting on the trend that the playing field in the world soccer is evening. Today, any team can pull an upset if it shows enough heart and stars align. But it doesn't mean that the top teams have less talent. And on Sunday the way Brazil played in the second half was just stunning. Very few teams if any could have pulled something like that. In the semifinal, Spain was in the better position going into the second half. You know the result. More importantly, they didn't come even close to the level of intensity and attacking power that Brazil showed. As for the US team - yes we can win. If we don't tire out, if we catch some breaks, if we don't get silly red cards for reckless tackles - lots of ifs. Not taking anything away from the US performance against Spain and Brazil what I saw in this tournament is a one dimensional team that can get a result if everything goes it's way. Any deviation from the script and things start rapidly falling apart. Btw does anyone remember last time USMNT came from behind being down by 2 at the half time in the meaningful game? @Chris I think you are reflecting on the trend that the playing field in the world soccer is evening. Today, any team can pull an upset if it shows enough heart and stars align. But it doesn’t mean that the top teams have less talent. And on Sunday the way Brazil played in the second half was just stunning. Very few teams if any could have pulled something like that. In the semifinal, Spain was in the better position going into the second half. You know the result. More importantly, they didn’t come even close to the level of intensity and attacking power that Brazil showed.

As for the US team – yes we can win. If we don’t tire out, if we catch some breaks, if we don’t get silly red cards for reckless tackles – lots of ifs. Not taking anything away from the US performance against Spain and Brazil what I saw in this tournament is a one dimensional team that can get a result if everything goes it’s way. Any deviation from the script and things start rapidly falling apart. Btw does anyone remember last time USMNT came from behind being down by 2 at the half time in the meaningful game?

]]> By: chris http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55408 chris Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:55:04 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55408 Anton, Those stats mean nothing if you cant get shit done. Spain took all those shots and never acutally hit one. with a team that is susspose to be that good they had better hit them. I think your terribley mistken by the USA team...we can compete with the best in the world. by the way we may have 2 guys coming to the team one Mexican American that plays for the Mexican National team and the other German American that plays for the German National team which they will be very good additon to the team. So you prolly should stop the critizing of the USA team. You will end up like my brasilians friends..when we went up 2-nil...shittin thier pants. Anton, Those stats mean nothing if you cant get shit done. Spain took all those shots and never acutally hit one. with a team that is susspose to be that good they had better hit them.

I think your terribley mistken by the USA team…we can compete with the best in the world.

by the way we may have 2 guys coming to the team one Mexican American that plays for the Mexican National team and the other German American that plays for the German National team which they will be very good additon to the team.

So you prolly should stop the critizing of the USA team. You will end up like my brasilians friends..when we went up 2-nil…shittin thier pants.

]]> By: anton http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55388 anton Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:26:24 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55388 of course i'm discounting the style. with this kind of reverse brainthink, we might soon be saying that stoke city was better than arsenal last season and relegated middlesbrough was better than liverpool. the defend / counter-attack approach never proves how good you are at actual football. it is at best a cheap tactic that is like playing russian roulette for teams with little real skill. sometimes it might get you the lucky win but most of the time you get the loss you deserve. anybody can create a wall in front of goal. that is not skill. skill is being able to control the ball and create chances. the sheer magnitude of chances created, possession, combined with the offside stats shows which team has real skill in this match IMHO. When USA can come an hold its own in the possession and attacking game, they will prove they actually have the SKILL to win matches consistently. Until then, they will have to resort to a cheap counter-attacking policy that may advance them at most to a certain level and the occasional lucky win. That's my argument in full. Stats prove skill, not who will win the game. USA still has a long way to go on the world scene. of course i’m discounting the style. with this kind of reverse brainthink, we might soon be saying that stoke city was better than arsenal last season and relegated middlesbrough was better than liverpool. the defend / counter-attack approach never proves how good you are at actual football. it is at best a cheap tactic that is like playing russian roulette for teams with little real skill. sometimes it might get you the lucky win but most of the time you get the loss you deserve. anybody can create a wall in front of goal. that is not skill. skill is being able to control the ball and create chances. the sheer magnitude of chances created, possession, combined with the offside stats shows which team has real skill in this match IMHO. When USA can come an hold its own in the possession and attacking game, they will prove they actually have the SKILL to win matches consistently. Until then, they will have to resort to a cheap counter-attacking policy that may advance them at most to a certain level and the occasional lucky win.
That’s my argument in full.

Stats prove skill, not who will win the game. USA still has a long way to go on the world scene.

]]> By: Kartik Krishnaiyer http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55368 Kartik Krishnaiyer Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:33:29 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55368 Anton- I agree with the above comments. As someone who has watched the USMNT for the better part of 25 years I think you are discounting the way the US has played from a style standpoint. Yes stats can tell a story but not the whole story. Spain outshot the USA 29-9. Brazil 31-9. Does that mean Spain's performance was nearly as efficient as Brazil's? Brazil had about 10 good shots on goal, Spain had maybe 2 (Shots on target is one of the most misleading stats in football. Spain had a lot of shots on target but not many shots that would have beaten the keeper unless it is "calamity" James.) USA having 41% of the possession is actually faily high given the style we play. That's an ode to Dunga's new Brazilian style. In the game the US won 1998, the US had 34% possession and was outshot 24-4 and shots on target were 14-1. Anton- I agree with the above comments. As someone who has watched the USMNT for the better part of 25 years I think you are discounting the way the US has played from a style standpoint. Yes stats can tell a story but not the whole story. Spain outshot the USA 29-9. Brazil 31-9. Does that mean Spain’s performance was nearly as efficient as Brazil’s? Brazil had about 10 good shots on goal, Spain had maybe 2 (Shots on target is one of the most misleading stats in football. Spain had a lot of shots on target but not many shots that would have beaten the keeper unless it is “calamity” James.)

USA having 41% of the possession is actually faily high given the style we play. That’s an ode to Dunga’s new Brazilian style. In the game the US won 1998, the US had 34% possession and was outshot 24-4 and shots on target were 14-1.

]]> By: anton http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55365 anton Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:14:09 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55365 stats never tell the story. that's a first. please come back from your american soccer world and enter the real football world. idiot. i've never followed american sports in my life. 9 Shots 31 4 Shots on goal 13 41% Possession (%) 59% the only way that doesn't tell you something is if you can't read. those stats tell me that brasil has far superior ball control and morement skills. stats never tell the story. that’s a first. please come back from your american soccer world and enter the real football world. idiot. i’ve never followed american sports in my life.

9 Shots 31
4 Shots on goal 13
41% Possession (%) 59%

the only way that doesn’t tell you something is if you can’t read. those stats tell me that brasil has far superior ball control and morement skills.

]]> By: chris http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55351 chris Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:05:37 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55351 I mean the Brasilain team is always going to have some kind talent always. they will always be somewhat good but from the looks of it there is nobody there that is shock and awe and will be able to jsut run over teams like they used to. I never said the brasilian team is worse than the USA team. I think they are not that great. we showed that we can compete with them and give them hell in a match and can beat them . Im saying Brasil has alot of work to do and there are btter teams than them. and yes i will say that we arent the best in the world, I will admit that. but we are making our way there...and i think the Brasilians day of being one of the best teams in the world is gone. Its also obvious that if we didnt tire out from such an agressive and attacking and countering mode in the first half we would have won that game. because we would still have a whole lot of gas to do the same thing we did in the first half if we didnt tire out. It was very noticeable, its not like we didnt have the talent. It very easy to loose a game when your tired and cant keep up. We are perfectley able to compete with anybody and get the job done and win games agains the best. we just need to work on smaller things and learn how to balance out when to do things and just not coming out like a bat out of hell and run out of gas. if you get what im saying. I mean the Brasilain team is always going to have some kind talent always. they will always be somewhat good but from the looks of it there is nobody there that is shock and awe and will be able to jsut run over teams like they used to. I never said the brasilian team is worse than the USA team. I think they are not that great. we showed that we can compete with them and give them hell in a match and can beat them . Im saying Brasil has alot of work to do and there are btter teams than them. and yes i will say that we arent the best in the world, I will admit that. but we are making our way there…and i think the Brasilians day of being one of the best teams in the world is gone. Its also obvious that if we didnt tire out from such an agressive and attacking and countering mode in the first half we would have won that game. because we would still have a whole lot of gas to do the same thing we did in the first half if we didnt tire out. It was very noticeable, its not like we didnt have the talent. It very easy to loose a game when your tired and cant keep up. We are perfectley able to compete with anybody and get the job done and win games agains the best. we just need to work on smaller things and learn how to balance out when to do things and just not coming out like a bat out of hell and run out of gas. if you get what im saying.

]]> By: Andrei http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55320 Andrei Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:03:52 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55320 @Chris, are you saying that USMNT was up 2 against not so good Brazilian team and still managed to loose? @John Harris, yes stats never tell the whole story but it helps in countering some claims that US dominated in the first half. Yes, US played well but dominating the game - I don't think so. @Chris, are you saying that USMNT was up 2 against not so good Brazilian team and still managed to loose?

@John Harris, yes stats never tell the whole story but it helps in countering some claims that US dominated in the first half. Yes, US played well but dominating the game – I don’t think so.

]]> By: John Harris http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55311 John Harris Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:47:01 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55311 Anton, spouting statistics in the way you have just exposes the fact that you don't understand football. Stats are for the geeks who like American sports. A free flowing game with real tactics like football doesn't need stats to tell the story. For years the USMNT has relied on organization defensively and counter attacking and has tended to cede possession against good opponents and away from him in qualifying. Spain outshot the USA 29-9 yet had what I would describe as one stone cold chance to score a goal. Otherwise most of the chances were 1/2 chances or from tight angles when our defense was spaced well and the keeper was in position. Stats NEVER tell the story in football. Anton, spouting statistics in the way you have just exposes the fact that you don’t understand football. Stats are for the geeks who like American sports. A free flowing game with real tactics like football doesn’t need stats to tell the story. For years the USMNT has relied on organization defensively and counter attacking and has tended to cede possession against good opponents and away from him in qualifying. Spain outshot the USA 29-9 yet had what I would describe as one stone cold chance to score a goal. Otherwise most of the chances were 1/2 chances or from tight angles when our defense was spaced well and the keeper was in position.

Stats NEVER tell the story in football.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.epltalk.com/dempsey-howard-and-usa-put-up-a-great-fight-in-3-2-loss-to-brazil/8889#comment-55305 Andrew Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:14:08 +0000 http://www.epltalk.com/?p=8889#comment-55305 so after how many of these great job but you let up a 2 nil lead but we are still proud do we start to expect more? I say 3? so after how many of these great job but you let up a 2 nil lead but we are still proud do we start to expect more?
I say 3?

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