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  1. FredtheRed
    FredtheRed
    March 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm | | Reply


    Spot on, it’s utter garbage. Peace seems a bit of knob really. Billy Bremner would have sued too if he’d still been with us.

    Does a diservice to Leeds United and Brian Clough. Never thought I’d say that about Leeds. :)

  2. Charles
    March 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm | | Reply


    “I read the book when it came out and found it to be quite a dishonest work of fiction masquerading as a work of truth.”

    It’s a novel. It doesn’t masquerade as a work of truth because, well, it’s a NOVEL.

  3. Paul Bestall
    Paul Bestall
    March 18, 2009 at 7:09 pm | | Reply


    If it’s a novel, why did Johnny Giles win damages for libel?

  4. UltraFox
    March 18, 2009 at 7:44 pm | | Reply


    Mr Bestall, as even the briefest of research would have told you, Johnny Giles was NOT a left back. He was a midfielder, and one of the finest of his generation.

    So it’s a bit rich for you to slate Peace for a so-called “tissue of lies” simply because the picture he depicts of Clough is not quite as saintly as you or his family would like us all to see.

    As a manager, Clough was a genius – there’s no getting away from that. His record proves it. But he was also an complex and flawed human being, capable of great acts of kindness and cruelty in equal measure.

    Although he is idolised in many towns (two statues have already been erected, and a third is being commissioned), he is reviled in others. Many scousers have never forgiven him for his extremely ill-advised collusion with the Sun following the 1989 Hillsborough disaster.

    If you want to read hagiographies which focus entirely on the high points in his career, there are plenty of books published that fit that purpose. Peace’s work, however, takes a different, more ambitious course, and is all the better for it.

    English football in the 70s was rife with corruption, and although Clough was not implicated to the degree that Don Revie was, his hands were not entirely clean. Until Peace’s book came out, I was unaware of the illegal payments scandal which denied Derby (then under Clough’s management) a place in Europe in the early 70s, and may in other circumstances have led to them being relegated.

    Although Clough’s actual involvement in this tawdry episode is a matter for conjecture, it appears unlikely, given what is widely known about his style of management, that he would have been entirely unaware of how it came about. Significantly, both he and the Derby board remained in place for another three years, long enough to challenge for and win a league title and mount a strong but ill-fated challenge for the European Cup the following year.

    So why, given his success at Derby, and subsequently at Forest, did Clough fail so spectacularly at Leeds? Was it simply a clash of personalities (and maybe philosophies) with players and directors? Or did Clough, as Peace hints, have an ulterior, possibly finance-based agenda? He certainly made no effort to relocate his family from Derby (where they remain to this day) to Yorkshire. Nor did he appear particularly distraught when his contract was so abruptly terminated.

    Indeed , his remark “This is a terrible day….for Leeds United ” has been borne out by events. No subsequent long-term occupant of the manager’s office at Elland Road has been as gifted or charismatic as Clough. Could the club’s history, and his own, have been different if he’d been given more time?

    The book doesn’t answer these questions, and I’m not sure that the film will do so either. But at least I’ll view the latter with an open mind, and (unlike Mr Bestall), encourage fans and filmgoers alike to do likewise.

  5. TT
    TT
    March 18, 2009 at 7:54 pm | | Reply


    Here’s what Giles thought:

    http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6241&posts=9

  6. FredtheRed
    FredtheRed
    March 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm | | Reply


    Have to disagree with you Ultrafox (Hmm wonder who you support?).
    Peace’s book takes real events, real people and then makes up everything they say, do and act.
    It’s a shameful act, the act of a talentless coward who uses fame to promote themselves.

    If he wanted to write a book about football, why not invent one rather than create an invention of fiction interwoven with real people? It’s insults Leeds United, Brian Clough, Billy Bremner etc etc.

    If you’re so open to Mr Peace’s work, could you supply me with some key events in your life and allow me to write your life story, making you out to be a wifebeating heroin addict who steals from his job? You seem not to mind.

  7. HubbaBubba
    HubbaBubba
    March 18, 2009 at 8:19 pm | | Reply


    Peace is a charlatan. He’s used Clough’s fame purely to propel himself forward. Nothing in the book happened apart from Clough took the job, told Eddie Gray he’d shoot him if he was a horse and then got sacked. Everything else is made up. I hope he dies in severe pain.

  8. Myrtle Springs
    Myrtle Springs
    March 18, 2009 at 8:25 pm | | Reply


    I’ve seen the film and it’s a work of utter fantasy. Dreadful film.

  9. BeeMan
    BeeMan
    March 18, 2009 at 9:41 pm | | Reply


    Basing fiction on real-life people and events is just what David Peace does. It’s his style. If you think Brian Clough comes out of The Damned Utd badly, try reading the “Red Riding” novels, in which West Yorkshire Police in the 1970s are implicated in multiple child murders, and are staffed by senior officers who enjoy torturing people to death with masonry drills, all with the collusion of the Yorkshire Post. Now sure, he didn’t use the names of real-life coppers from West Yorkshire Police, or the real-life editor of the Yorkshire Post. But then he didn’t accuse Brian Clough of drilling holes in anyone’s balls.

    The Damned Utd is fiction, but the events of the book are recorded fact. It assumes the reader is smart enough to work out what’s reality and what’s invention, and does not pretend to be a biography. Writing a fictional account of a historical event is hardly a new idea.

    I’ll tell you what, though – the film is really terrible. I saw it the other day, and it’s a stupid comedy, nothing at all like the novel. If you decide to boycott it, you’re not missing anything.

  10. tracey
    tracey
    March 19, 2009 at 1:43 am | | Reply


    The book is brilliant and you’re a fool. On your idiotic premise every book or film based on real life (say, every second world war film) should never have been made because they’re ALL full of inaccuracies.

    The film does look crap though.

  11. Myrtle Springs
    Myrtle Springs
    March 19, 2009 at 4:30 am | | Reply


    Tracey, could I write a book about your life once you died and say you were a prostitute who drank a bottle of gin every day?
    David Peace is a twat.

  12. jimmy squirrelpants
    jimmy squirrelpants
    March 19, 2009 at 12:33 pm | | Reply


    Brilliant book and film which has only ever been advertised as a work of fiction. Only a fool indeed would think this work was presenting itself as the truth. Do the people who are “offended” by this book also offended by Einstein’s potrayal by Yahoo Serious? As for Giles libel suit, well that’s really more an indictment of the UK’s famously screwed up libel laws (and a reminder why Americans should be thankful of the 1st amendment).

  13. Bill Buckley
    Bill Buckley
    March 19, 2009 at 5:57 pm | | Reply


    Totally agree with the article. Peace is making money by dancing on graves, knowing only those alive (Johnny Giles) can do anything about it. And for Ultrafox’s info, Clough and Derby were dumped out of the cup because the ref took a bribe (later proven) – not Clough. Like Peace, you should get your facts right matey. Would love to write an unflaterring account about your family someday.

  14. DO
    DO
    March 25, 2009 at 7:23 pm | | Reply


    Is the book really that much of an indictment of Clough? Whilst I accept that there are elements that have been “hyped” in order to develop a strong narrative for the story, the success of the book is surely down to the fact that it captures some of the spirit of the man and the events of the time. The facts are all broadly true, he was at Leeds for a very short space of time, he did not like the players, they did not like him, is Peace really on such a flight of fancy with this book? Arguably, in fact, the book is allowing these players to challenge a number of the stereotypes that have labelled onto them over the subsequent 30 years.

  15. Alex
    Alex
    March 27, 2009 at 4:39 pm | | Reply


    Oooh, oooh, Bill Buckley, write an unflattering book about my family too!

  16. Martin
    Martin
    July 21, 2010 at 10:05 am | | Reply


    I understand why Brian Clough’s family, Forest fans and Leeds are so annoyed about this… To portray footballing greats like Cloughie, Billy Bremner, Peter Taylor as almost panto characters is disgraceful because they were real people, and they can’t defend themselves if they are no longer with us…..

    There is nothing worse than the crap that infests modern film and litertatue that is known as ‘faction’… I ,as a Mancunian and as a Manchester United fan, was well annoyed by that film about George Best (‘Best’ starring John Lynch)… It was the most over the top and innacurate pile of crap I have ever seen (Tommy Docherty telling off Nobby Stiles?! Nobby left before the Doc even arrived at Old Trafford!)… But this pile of cack by Peace is even worse… I have always had the greateset respect for Cloughie, and I wish he had been given the United job on more than one occasion…. Yes, he was that big, and he was that good…. The game needs characters like Cloughie in a time where we seem to no longer have them….

    God bless Old Big ‘Ead…..

    Glazer Out!

  17. T.J.
    T.J.
    March 8, 2011 at 8:36 pm | | Reply


    As a football fan in the States, I never knew about Brian Clough or his exploits, good and bad. Then I saw the film and became very interested in discovering the real story behind the legend. That’s the positive from this work of fiction. It brings those from the outside in. Let’s be serious: Anyone who takes this fiction seriously is an idiot. But those who are inspired to learn the truth from an enjoyable piece of fiction should be welcomed.

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