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	<title>Comments on: Fulham&#8217;s Premiership Survival Battle Is Not Over Yet</title>
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		<title>By: Kartik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kartik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferd, not Fred. Typo, sorry!</description>
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		<title>By: Kartik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kartik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, I think it is a combination of issues. Firstly our best athletes don&#039;t go into the sport. Our second and third tier of athletes don&#039;t go into the sport either. 

Then other problems exist. Geography. The country is massive and the ability to &quot;find&quot; top young players and recruit them into the national academy is difficult.

Geography plays a role also in preventing us from developing a distinguishing style of football.  Some parts of the country are so brutally hot it resembles much of Central America, others are so cold during the winter it is impossible to play the sport (and thus why it is totally impractical for MLS to play on the same calendar as the PL) so this stifles us, unlike England which is monolithic from a geography point of view and they all play the game the same way on the same pitches at the same times of year. 

Then their is a matter of the US federation. The USSF is for the most part run by older elite white guys adverse to opening up the game to latins and inner cities. That&#039;s why some of the best potential American players who are also eligible to play for Mexico choose Mexico, not to mention Mexico is always better than the US so you&#039;ve got a better shot to go deep in the World cup but less of a shot to play. But maybe not, because a bias tends to exist against latino players in the US system. 

The federation is content to pocket cash as is SUM, the marketing arm of MLS by hosting friendlies in the US against attractive opponents like Brazil and Argentina. The US plays both of those nations here every couple years as a blatant cash grab and nothing else. SUM despite their ownership by MLS is more tied into Mexican Football and than the US and thus Mexico plays a bunch of friendlies  in the US which further promote their product and tempt eligible American born players to play for them or their clubs all of whom are better from an atmosphere standpoint than MLS clubs.

Donovan is our best player and it is not even close. Not even close to being close. Their isn&#039;t a single other American who could even threaten to make a 23 man squad for England, Mexico, Holland or South Korea. I&#039;m not even mentioning real top tier countries like Italy, France, Brazil or Argentina.  

This wasn&#039;t always the case. In 2000 the US could have placed many players on both England and Mexico&#039;s team. So in fact we have regressed and nobody seems to notice or care. We have allowed our league very quietly to become a place which Americans are no longer given a chance to develop. It depends on your priorities,  and mine is the national team. If you want to see good club football, MLS certainly is improving but I am not willing like many Englishmen who rightfully complain about the PL&#039;s malign impact on the England National Team to compromise our competitiveness internationally to have a decent league. I&#039;m predicting right now that the US will either miss the 2010 or 2014 World Cup if this trend continues. CONCACAF despite its reputation is improving greatly. Right now I am real excited about the potential for Honduras and Haiti to emerge as competitors for the next qualifying cycle and Costa Rica and Panama should be strong also.   So the US is in trouble and most of our fans either don&#039;t care and simply watch Euro leagues and act as if their own country doesn&#039;t exist or are too busy waiving the flag saying how good we are. (much like a political debate between right and left) It&#039;s a highly polarized soccer community in the US and what I strive to do is bring some balance and realism to the debate if anyone really cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I think it is a combination of issues. Firstly our best athletes don&#8217;t go into the sport. Our second and third tier of athletes don&#8217;t go into the sport either. </p>
<p>Then other problems exist. Geography. The country is massive and the ability to &#8220;find&#8221; top young players and recruit them into the national academy is difficult.</p>
<p>Geography plays a role also in preventing us from developing a distinguishing style of football.  Some parts of the country are so brutally hot it resembles much of Central America, others are so cold during the winter it is impossible to play the sport (and thus why it is totally impractical for MLS to play on the same calendar as the PL) so this stifles us, unlike England which is monolithic from a geography point of view and they all play the game the same way on the same pitches at the same times of year. </p>
<p>Then their is a matter of the US federation. The USSF is for the most part run by older elite white guys adverse to opening up the game to latins and inner cities. That&#8217;s why some of the best potential American players who are also eligible to play for Mexico choose Mexico, not to mention Mexico is always better than the US so you&#8217;ve got a better shot to go deep in the World cup but less of a shot to play. But maybe not, because a bias tends to exist against latino players in the US system. </p>
<p>The federation is content to pocket cash as is SUM, the marketing arm of MLS by hosting friendlies in the US against attractive opponents like Brazil and Argentina. The US plays both of those nations here every couple years as a blatant cash grab and nothing else. SUM despite their ownership by MLS is more tied into Mexican Football and than the US and thus Mexico plays a bunch of friendlies  in the US which further promote their product and tempt eligible American born players to play for them or their clubs all of whom are better from an atmosphere standpoint than MLS clubs.</p>
<p>Donovan is our best player and it is not even close. Not even close to being close. Their isn&#8217;t a single other American who could even threaten to make a 23 man squad for England, Mexico, Holland or South Korea. I&#8217;m not even mentioning real top tier countries like Italy, France, Brazil or Argentina.  </p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t always the case. In 2000 the US could have placed many players on both England and Mexico&#8217;s team. So in fact we have regressed and nobody seems to notice or care. We have allowed our league very quietly to become a place which Americans are no longer given a chance to develop. It depends on your priorities,  and mine is the national team. If you want to see good club football, MLS certainly is improving but I am not willing like many Englishmen who rightfully complain about the PL&#8217;s malign impact on the England National Team to compromise our competitiveness internationally to have a decent league. I&#8217;m predicting right now that the US will either miss the 2010 or 2014 World Cup if this trend continues. CONCACAF despite its reputation is improving greatly. Right now I am real excited about the potential for Honduras and Haiti to emerge as competitors for the next qualifying cycle and Costa Rica and Panama should be strong also.   So the US is in trouble and most of our fans either don&#8217;t care and simply watch Euro leagues and act as if their own country doesn&#8217;t exist or are too busy waiving the flag saying how good we are. (much like a political debate between right and left) It&#8217;s a highly polarized soccer community in the US and what I strive to do is bring some balance and realism to the debate if anyone really cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kartik,

Why do you think the USA is not producing world class players?  I happen to agree with you for the most part and it baffles me that we have the resources to be able to compete with anyone on a youth level but then our youth never seem to become world class professionals.  It is hard for me to believe that Landon Donovan is the best we have to offer!?
  I am also pulling for Fulham to avoid the drop based on their willingness to sign Americans but if they do stay up I would bet it  has more to do with the play of Bullard then anyone else on that team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kartik,</p>
<p>Why do you think the USA is not producing world class players?  I happen to agree with you for the most part and it baffles me that we have the resources to be able to compete with anyone on a youth level but then our youth never seem to become world class professionals.  It is hard for me to believe that Landon Donovan is the best we have to offer!?<br />
  I am also pulling for Fulham to avoid the drop based on their willingness to sign Americans but if they do stay up I would bet it  has more to do with the play of Bullard then anyone else on that team.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an American but i do think Kartik is a bit harsh.  I understand there is a problem if the domestic league is not a base for domestic players. The USA case study is similar to Australia, both developing football countries. Arguably Australians have been exported overseas years before the US did (may be wrong) at the expense of the domestic league and despite our strong european contingent for years we failed many of a time to qualify for a world cup. The problem there however was the NT played two important year in Oceania every four years for the world cup. I also put that down to the lack of a plan at the grassroots. 

Going to Europe for a player should be the pinnacle (perhaps when a player has done all he can domestically, but arguable), obvious benefits of going overseas is to improve your trade and to test yourself at a higher level. The point is not exactly &quot;impact&quot; but surely playing or having the chance to play in the PL or championship week in week out is beneficial to a player. Take for example Tim Cahill, he went over plied his trade at Milwall and now he is a star for Everton. Lots of issues involved... many of a case where our young Australians move overseas 15-18 and join youth/reserve setups, with the new a-league we obviously want to keep the talent for our league to be strong but then again do we want to hamper the opportunities out there for our young players....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an American but i do think Kartik is a bit harsh.  I understand there is a problem if the domestic league is not a base for domestic players. The USA case study is similar to Australia, both developing football countries. Arguably Australians have been exported overseas years before the US did (may be wrong) at the expense of the domestic league and despite our strong european contingent for years we failed many of a time to qualify for a world cup. The problem there however was the NT played two important year in Oceania every four years for the world cup. I also put that down to the lack of a plan at the grassroots. </p>
<p>Going to Europe for a player should be the pinnacle (perhaps when a player has done all he can domestically, but arguable), obvious benefits of going overseas is to improve your trade and to test yourself at a higher level. The point is not exactly &#8220;impact&#8221; but surely playing or having the chance to play in the PL or championship week in week out is beneficial to a player. Take for example Tim Cahill, he went over plied his trade at Milwall and now he is a star for Everton. Lots of issues involved&#8230; many of a case where our young Australians move overseas 15-18 and join youth/reserve setups, with the new a-league we obviously want to keep the talent for our league to be strong but then again do we want to hamper the opportunities out there for our young players&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, and I wrote a post on English Soccer Talk that I didn&#039;t post here, I think Steve Bruce has done a terrific job this season and without him, Birmingham could be relegated. With him, Wigan is safe and Bruce knows exactly what to do to get results and he gets the most out of not that much talent. 

http://englishsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2008/04/steve-brucegive-man-some-love.html

I wrote that back on the 15th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, and I wrote a post on English Soccer Talk that I didn&#8217;t post here, I think Steve Bruce has done a terrific job this season and without him, Birmingham could be relegated. With him, Wigan is safe and Bruce knows exactly what to do to get results and he gets the most out of not that much talent. </p>
<p><a href="http://englishsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2008/04/steve-brucegive-man-some-love.html" rel="nofollow">http://englishsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2008/04/steve-brucegive-man-some-love.html</a></p>
<p>I wrote that back on the 15th.</p>
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