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  1. Sir Cecil
    Sir Cecil
    April 2, 2010 at 3:12 am | | Reply


    Gibberish.

  2. ish
    ish
    April 2, 2010 at 6:08 am | | Reply


    mikel and ballack can handle anything thrown at them by such a weak midfield(mikel is a beast against most slow deliberate midfielders which all the players listed are).

    The wingers are the key for manUs chance to win. If anything berbatov will be useful because nani likes to cut in which means berba can be a very good link up player. Park will be manhandled by alex and terry. if manU can take advantage of chelsea’s weak right side they can make the most of their chances but they better be ready to take care of malouda and zhirkov who on attack are formidable.

    1. EJN
      EJN
      April 2, 2010 at 3:10 pm | | Reply


      Mikel will NEVER be beast, rubbish at best. You talk as if Chelsea is the better team. Thank you for your entertainment. Good luck in Champions League. Whoops!

  3. The Gaffer
    April 2, 2010 at 6:49 am | | Reply


    Having Park, Giggs, Nani and Valencia as four attacking midfielders would definitely give Chelsea nightmares in terms of marking. Nani, Valencia and Park have tremendous speed, while Giggs has the vision to thread through the perfect pass or cross.

    If it doesn’t work, they can always sub Berbatov in for Park so that Berba can play up top.

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

  4. Jesse
    Jesse
    April 2, 2010 at 7:35 am | | Reply


    Pay no attention to the Sir Cecil’s of the World – they know not of what they say.

    Fantastic tactical breakdown.

  5. Josh
    Josh
    April 2, 2010 at 8:54 am | | Reply


    Incredibly interesting…..makes me want to play FM and try it out right this second!

  6. Joel
    Joel
    April 2, 2010 at 9:02 am | | Reply


    Good breakdown, but it is not going to play out like this. Wouldn’t be surprised if Carrick doesn’t play (he wasn’t so hot on Wednesday) in favor of Berba in that lineup. Fergie may also play Park on a wing to neutralize some perceived threat as he often does. Plus I think you’ll get Nev at RB, not Rafael DA Silva.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      April 2, 2010 at 10:37 am | | Reply


      I agree, Joel. Ferguson will not use this formation.

  7. FredtheRed
    FredtheRed
    April 2, 2010 at 9:36 am | | Reply


    And AS Roma won what exactly with these tactics?

    Precisely.

    Absolute nonsense to consider playing without a striker and it will never EVER take off as it has clearly been proved to be ineffective. Ferguson never plays for a draw, home or away, regardless of opposition.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      April 2, 2010 at 10:43 am | | Reply


      AS Roma has won three titles in the history of Serie A. They have an ownership group that has become the Romanistas’ bane for not properly financing a world class club. It is only out of the loyalty that players like Totti and de Rossi have to the fans that Roma has continued to be one of the top sides in the Serie A.

      Taking this team to within a match day of the title speaks to the efficacy of this tactic. To note them not winning anything would be akin to saying Tottenham has never had a tactical plan because they have never qualified for Champions League or won the league. It doesn’t make sense. You can have effective tactics yet still fail to reach the top 5% of the league that embodies the league’s champion.

      Regarding Ferguson never playing for a draw, perhaps you forgot the away leg of their Champions League quarterfinal at the San Siro last year? Perhaps you also are forgetting the away leg of the semifinal against Barcelona the preceding tournament?

      Sorry to sound crabby, but of your comment’s four retorts, I find none of them viable. If you have more to offer, I’d be thrilled to read it.

  8. Ivan
    Ivan
    April 2, 2010 at 11:09 am | | Reply


    Why do people hate Berba and want him to fail? He has more talent that Rooney, Lampard, and Gerrard combined! The guy creates magic on the field, opens up spaces for his teammates, his intelligence on and off the ball should be studied by little 10 and 11 year old kids as to how to play the beautiful game.
    I know why he is not liked in England. He doesn’t beat up a DJ (Gerrard), cheat on his wife w/ his best freind’s girlfriend (Terry), buy hookers (Rooney), act like a complete douche (Ashley Cole-this moron published 2 autobiographies by the time he was 25; what a mistake of nature he is), in other words, unlike other England “stars”, Berbatov doesn’t have an IQ of negative 43 as most other English thugs-turned footballers.
    After pratice, he goes home to his newborn girl and girfriend.
    I understand that Berba will never be a Cantona as some expected, that he is not a leader on the field, but his contribution for Man Utd this season is being forgotten on purpose by the “pundits”, in favor of the golden boy, Rooney.
    Berba MUST start tomorrow. He is a creative force, he is the type of player who makes his teammates look better when he is playing. He already has 12 goals in the Premier League this season, which is not too shabby.
    I am amazed listening to commentators every time Berba plays; there is a certain negative attitude there that I don’t understand. It’s like everyone in England wants him to fail…disgusting!

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      April 2, 2010 at 11:43 am | | Reply


      I don’t hate Berbatov, and against almost any other team in the league, I think he should start.

      Bolton had a lot of the same defensive shortcomings that I highlight with Chelsea. Berba started against them, had a mixed performance, but I support his inclusion there.

      Why there and not here? One is Bolton and one is Chelsea. Chelsea is a completely different level.

      Your implication of Berbatov being a automatic inclusion clearly is not shared by the “pundit” who matters most: Alex Ferguson. Berbatov has started 19 of 32 league fixtures this season, far from an automatic player. In Champions League, Berbatov has stared once in nine matches.

      Put together, Berbatov has 20 starts in 41 matches.

    2. ovalball
      ovalball
      April 2, 2010 at 3:00 pm | | Reply


      I have never gotten the Berba hate thing. OK, he glides rather than gallops. That doesn’t make him lazy. He is stoic rather than demonstrative. That doesn’t mean he is indifferent.

      Personally, I find him fun to watch. He is not the “second coming” of anyone and just needs to be appreciated for the skills that he does have. 12 goals in the time he has had on the pitch is pretty impressive.

      Must Fergie start him? Of course not, but I’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t and I think Man Utd will be the poorer for it.

      1. ovalball
        ovalball
        April 3, 2010 at 10:26 am | | Reply


        Well, Berba didn’t show much today, but then you could say that of just about anyone dressed in red. Flat.

        1. Richard Farley
          Richard Farley
          April 3, 2010 at 11:40 am | | Reply


          Agreed. On Berbatov, I think his positioning hurt United, and the ball in the 23rd minute where he was momentarily on goal – he’s got to get that shot off. Instead, it looked like he was going to try to spin around Lampard, and Frank made a very nice play to dispossess.

          Berba had a moment of brilliance early in the match were he beat (I believe it was) Ferreira and got to the line but then played the cross straight to Alex’s feet. People will say “look at that,” but ultimately, his actions hurt the team by giving away possession in the penalty area, killing off the attack.

          He is a very good player, but he has pocks, and we saw them today. I’ll stand by my contention that leaving him out would have improved United’s chances.

          1. ovalball
            ovalball
            April 3, 2010 at 12:46 pm |


            “I’ll stand by my contention that leaving him out would have improved United’s chances.”

            No way to tell. You win. ;-)

    3. Patrick Dresslar
      April 2, 2010 at 3:32 pm | | Reply


      You lost me at Berbatov “has more talent that Rooney, Lampard, and Gerrard combined! The guy creates magic on the field”

      Absurd statement. Do you notice that Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard all start and excel for their clubs? Berba can’t even get in the starting XI, and don’t tell me you’re ready to question Ferguson, because he knows much more about football than any of us will ever know.

    4. Tyson
      Tyson
      April 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm | | Reply


      Ivan most people that watch football don’t know what a good footballer is.

      Berbatov is an incredible footballer and hes one of the most talented to put on a pair of shoes. He’s kind of like the Premier Leagues Ibrahimovich. A lot of people give Ibrahimovich slack too but simply put the man is an incredible player.

      Berbatov hasn’t been started a lot this year because he has a knee inury but out of 20 starts in 40 games he has gotten 12 goals. If you do the math if he played as much as other players in the league who get a regular start he would be one of the top scorers in the league this year.

      You want to know why Berbatov hasn’t been played a lot this year?

      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-delay-berbatov-surgery-1869084.html

      He was supposed to go under the knife when his nagging injury got worse but United delayed the surgery. Obviously we have to play him less till he has his surgery in the summer. Next year you can hold me responsible if he isn’t a regular starter at United.

      Don’t let a few idiots fool you into thinking Berbatov isn’t appreviated Sir Alex Ferguson is the best manager on the planet and he has praised Berbatov time and time and time again since hes joined United. Look at what he had to say about Berbatov only a week ago. All the United team also respect Berbatov and so do most educated United fans.

      It’s mostly the bitter losers from a lot of other teams that launch attacks on Manchester United players. They talk a lot of crap though last year they claimed United relied on Ronaldo and would fail without him. This year they are saying United rely on Rooney, next year it’ll be Van Der Sar and they will keep making miserable excuses because all they will have is misery since they only lose.

      1. Richard Farley
        Richard Farley
        April 2, 2010 at 4:26 pm | | Reply


        There seems to be an emerging straw-man in this thread:

        Dimitar Berbatov isn’t good.

        The only time that sentiment has appeared has been when it’s coming off the fingers of people who think Berbatov is Ibrahimovic-esque, quite a quirky notion. The day somebody gives up a 30+ goal scorer plus €40m for Berbatov will be a surprising day indeed (not that it wasn’t surprising when Barça paid that for Ibra).

        I’m not sure anybody who watched Wednesday’s match at the Emirates thought, “that guy Barcelona has. He’s just like Berbatov!”

        I’m actually giggling a bit, but I digress.

        Nobody has said Berbatov isn’t good except for the people who actually think him great. I suppose that makes their hyperbole easier to argue. He’s clearly not great, but he’s also clearly good.

        It is only the purporting that Berbatov is great that forces others to retort that he has been selected to start in less than fifty percent of his teams matches.

        The injury deserved mention, but was he injured on Tuesday in Munich? Clearly not. He came on as a sub.

        This whole article and discussion is about the options United has. To say they have other options than a man who Ferguson has found worthy of starting 20 times this season seems obvious.

        I actually feel foolish for my article’s exposition. Nobody who follows the league should need it explained that Berbatov could conceivably start on the bench.

        BTW, anybody want to venture how many starts Wes Brown – who we can all agree was not a first choice when healthy – has for United, between league and Champions League. I’ll give you a hint: the number appears in this comment.

        1. Tyson
          Tyson
          April 2, 2010 at 6:35 pm | | Reply


          1: Eto had a dispute with the management at Barcelona and they wanted to get rid of him.

          2: Eto has scored 13 goals in 33 appearances this year.. so much for 30+ goal scorer. Maybe if you thought about this you would realize a large part of Etos high goal count had to do with the service he was getting from Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Messi and Henry.

          In fact he scored more at Barcelona the last year than he scored in his first three years combined at Mallorca. He is not a 30+ goal scorer hes just a good player on the receiving end of the best midfield on the planet and a team that affords him endless opportunities for goal scoring. He has only one more goal than Berbatov this year and he has played a full 90 minutes on many more occasions.

          3: So your conclusion is based on a single match a week ago? Wow.

          Ferguson doesn’t need to play Berbatov if Rooney is doing a fine job. Why not save a clearly injured Berbatov for when he is needed. Also you don’t seem to understand about the injury. He has been given less play time on purpose so the nagging injury doesn’t get aggravated. The more minutes he plays the higher the risk of something going wrong. With Macheda, Owen and Diouf injured he had no choice but to play Berbatov very sparsely and common sense dictates that when you are winning your games and progressing you don’t risk your players.

          Saying United have options is hardly rocket science in fact its common sense. I remember reading Rooney has missed I think 9 games this season and United have won 8 of those games and drew in the other one. United obviously have options the whole squad is full of talent and numerous players have scored this year nobody is disputing that the dispute is about Berbatov hatred because people can’t get their head around the way he plays.

          Ferguson has forgotten more than everybody on this website combined knows about football I’d say hes in a better position to judge when, where and how to use his players.

          1. Richard Farley
            Richard Farley
            April 2, 2010 at 7:15 pm |


            Tyson,

            I apologize if the tone of this discussion has gone toward the negative.

            Ferguson has forgotten more than everybody on this website combined knows about football I’d say hes in a better position to judge when, where and how to use his players.

            I completely agree. I will just observe again that Berbatov has started 20 of 41 matches in Champions League and the Premiership. He has been subbed out of another ten in the Premiership, meaning he has gone the full ninety in less than 25 percent of his team’s matches.

            Looking at that, I would contend Berbatov may actually deserve more playing time. However, we should bow to Sir Alex’s judgement.

            BTW, something I wrote last month about Samuel Eto’o:

            http://www.setpieceanalysts.com/20100221/etoo-defying-expectations-finding-his-level/

            Samuel Eto’o’s summer departure from FC Barcelona was derided by supporters who saw the mercurial Cameroonian lead their treble-winning side in goals, but there should have never been any real doubt that Barcelona was getting the better of their swap with Internazionale, getting (and paying for) the talent of Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

            And Ibrahimovic, in September:

            http://www.rffootball.com/2009/09/24/the-head-of-ibrahimovic/

            Alves plays the ball to his right. Messi’s alone and puts a ball to the fall post. There, Zlatan Ibrahimovic heads the ball in for the opener.

            It’s not only a goal that Barcelona doesn’t score last year (they have nobody besides Gerard Pique who has that height, and Pique does not come up in this situation), it’s a play don’t even attempt.

            Samuel Eto’o is a great player, but he’s no Ibrahimovic.

            But the stats are appreciated.

  9. Patrick Dresslar
    April 2, 2010 at 11:41 am | | Reply


    Great breakdown, but I have to agree that Park would never cause fits for Terry and Alex, he is at his best when there is a striker occupying the two CB’s, and without one he would cause little damage.

    I really like the idea though, because Chelsea are a relatively slow side with exception of Malouda. The game truly rests on the fullbacks: Neville, Ferreira, and Zhirkov, who are all weak links. Ferriera cannot handle Nani, and Neville cannot handle Malouda, who has largely been Chelsea’s player of the year in the second half. Can’t wait for the game! Get here already.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      April 2, 2010 at 11:45 am | | Reply


      Tend to agree re: Park, Patrick. Park’s key would be his movement and trying to pull Alex and Terry and ruin Chelsea’s shape/organization.

      I think this is more of Park and this tactic being (potentially) a better option than just saying “well, Rooney’s out. I guess w have no choice. Start Berba.”

      There are choices.

  10. free bet
    April 2, 2010 at 12:32 pm | | Reply


    424 can be quite offensive, just remember Pele´s Brazil…

  11. Patrick
    Patrick
    April 2, 2010 at 8:34 pm | | Reply


    Good breakdown of the upcoming game Richard Farley, very in-depth. However, it seems that everyone is missing one big factor to this game. This is the fact that the blow of Rooney injury blow will surely be lessened by the hurting backline of Chelsea. Chelsea is currently missing 5 quality defenders if I counted correctly and like you said that leaves the wingers of Man U with an advantage.

    A lot of people are trying to compare Man U’s Europe and league games. The thing about that is they fail to realize when comparing Man U’s league games and Euro games is the simple fact that SAF uses strategys that are quite different from his league games. He is one of the few managers that seem to do this and it has worked for him just fine.

    It is my belief that Man U is going to keep a smiliar roster to what it would of done if Rooney is healthy and just insert Berbatov. I can see them playing the wings a lot to exploit Chelseas injurys in the back while trying to keep the pace up hoping Berbatov will be able to get his head on a few trying to use him almost as a pure finisher.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      April 2, 2010 at 10:25 pm | | Reply


      I agree with you Patrick. At least, if I had to bet money, we will see a team very similar to the one that started at Bolton. And it very well might work, too. I wrote this piece to lay out another option, but matches are most often decided by things other than formation.

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