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  1. Brian W
    Brian W
    November 21, 2009 at 6:52 pm | | Reply


    So United was boring the last three years because their matches were one-sided and they scored lots of goals as well? Or are they different because they are United.

    1. Tyson
      Tyson
      November 21, 2009 at 7:33 pm | | Reply


      It’s probably a figure of speech.

      I mean they were playing Wolves they weren’t exactly going to be tested by mighty Wolverhampton with their 200 pound a week players.

      When Chelsea played United that was an interesting match because despite Berbatov, Vidic and Ferdinand not being available United crushed Chelsea for 90 minutes while Chelsea did a little here and there to keep it level then the 12th man got them the win. That was a tight close game and the “it can go either way” factor kept you glued to your set.

      On the other hand against inferior opposition, Chelsea just walk up and down them and it isn’t exactly eye candy.

      1. Gunner JD
        Gunner JD
        November 21, 2009 at 8:24 pm | | Reply


        I’m not sure why the author of the first comment feels the need to be so defensive. There sure are a lot of sensitive fans here on this blog! The Gaffer even had some pretty glowing things to say about the Red Devils, befitting their performance today against Everton, but Brian seems to sound like somehow United was being attacked or something.

        And I don’t think it was a figure of speech, but just a simple observation by the Gaffer, one that could apply to both teams: When you’re one of the better sides in the EPL, it can be boring football watching when you’re blowing lesser sides off the pitch, like Chelsea did today, or United has done repeatedly over their championship winning seasons of late.

        The great thing about the game though, is a better point: The Chelsea’s and United’s AREN’T always playing lesser opposition and/or destroying everyone in their path.

        United DIDN’T always score lots of goals, and their matches WEREN’T always one-sided, and they still won titles. THAT’S WHY IT’S FUN LOL (well, more fun for United fans, but still).

        I guess I just keep re-reading that first comment trying to make some sense out of it and I am unable to. No I didn’t have anything else to do tonight lol.

        1. Tyson
          Tyson
          November 21, 2009 at 8:54 pm | | Reply


          Manchester United and Chelsea are inherently different teams as well though.

          Chelsea are more of an attacking side that score a whole bunch of goals on form.

          Manchester United on the other hand are a defensive team that do enough to get a goal or two then sit back and laugh as their opponents try to strike back.

          In many ways Chelsea and United do destroy most teams because when they are on form and all their best players are on the pitch they are incredibly difficult to outscore/breakdown.

          This season looks more and more like a two horse race by the day though so chances are we will see some more Chelsea-Manchester United meetings deciding which way the trophies go this season.

          I wonder what the odds of United vs Chelsea for the Champions League trophy are at the moment.

          1. Gunner JD
            Gunner JD
            November 21, 2009 at 9:17 pm |


            Ah. Maybe Brian’s apparent defensiveness stems from the difference you’re pointing out.

            But I must admit to being a little confused now. You are surely a more experienced watcher of the English game than I (this is only my 3rd full season watching and loving the beautiful game), but is United really considered a defensive team? I know that they are considered by many to be a little weak in the midfield (post CR7 of course), but isn’t their bread and butter their attack (not just Wayne Rooney but their overall approach)?

            Also, if recent developments are any indication, Chelsea seem to be the stronger team defensively, don’t they? The Red Devils’ defense hasn’t exactly dominated this season.

            I’m definitely no expert, but it just seems to me to be the case.

          2. Tyson
            Tyson
            November 21, 2009 at 11:52 pm |


            Manchester Uniteds defensive pairing is based entirely around Vidic and Ferdinand. When those two don’t play the defense is heavily impaired.. I mean it’s literally a world in difference.

            Basically the idea is Wes Brown and Evra both have a faster pace than either Vidic or Ferdinand. Evra generally plays a very advanced position and his job is to funnel the attacker into Vidic or Ferdinand. Wes brown isn’t as fast as Evra and probably not much faster than either Vidic of Ferdinand but he is good at seeing things coming and breaking them down in their infancy.

            Whenever you see somebody attacking Uniteds defense chances are Evra will run to intercept them or Wes Brown will break them down. These two don’t necesarily tackle they just put pressure on the attacker and funnel him straight into either Vidic or Ferdinand who are amongst the best at what they do in the world.

            The problem is if Evra and Brown have been taught to funnel the attacker towards Vidic or Ferdinand if either of them are not playing or not at their best there is suddenly a problem.

            United haven’t been the fortress this year as they have in the past because they are having to play inexperienced players in positions that can make or break the match.

            This has especially been a disaster against attackers with a fast pace. Ferdinand was bought back too soon from injury and just couldn’t cope with everything coming his way. When this defense is firing on all cylinders it is arguably the best back 4 + goalie in the world and numerous records broken last year show that.

            Manchester Uniteds midfield has been a disaster zone for a while now but it has nothing to do with CR7.

            If you look at Barcelonas midfield they have Xavi, Iniesta and Yaya Toure. Xavi and Iniesta are great players. Between the two of them they create a lot of opportunities for goals and score a few too. Yaya Toure doesn’t create opportunities for goals or score them though. He’s a holding midfield player.

            His job is to hold break down attacks before they get to the defenders and keep them in play. The problem is if your defense is breached you have to commit players and time to defending.

            With a holding midfielder if he can break down more attacks he can keep the ball in play and therefore create more opportunities to score goals and keep his team forward.

            Manchester United have an incredible holding midfielder in Owen Hargreaves but he has been injured for many a year. Aside from that Manchester United have had to do without a key component in their arsenal.

            That has forced United to be the type of side where the entire team falls back and spends more time defending because they struggle to keep the ball in the midfield in comparison to their contemporaries.

            Up front United have both Rooney and Berbatov but neither of them are goal scoring machines that United had in the past like Ruud Van Nistelrooy. United haven’t had a goal scoring maching in quite a few years.

            Rooney and Berbatov are not volume scorers. Rooney has a good pace and a strong kick which allows him to get into positions and attempt shots that players will struggle to deal with. Berbatov has an excellent ability to create opportunities from nothing.

            Nani or Valencia are generally the wingers that provide crosses or rush into the box, try and take a shot or get it to Rooney or Berbatov. Carrick and Fletcher come to the edges of the box and pick up stray balls, deflections etc or just keep the ball in play.

            The point is there are a few people that can score goals but none of them are outright pure strikers or volume scorers they just all create opportunities with unique playstyles and collectively take them.

            United are not at their best at the moment but their defensive line is there. Wes Brown will start playing regularly again but he has had a one year lay off due to injury so itll take time.

            Owen Hargreaves is fundamental to United and he was a huge difference to their playstyle before he got injured. When he starts playing regularly again he’ll change the pace of the game.

            Just imagine the way United played against Everton today but with a defensive midfielder who kept the ball into play longer and then imagine what United could do.

            Sorry about the long post but I love the tactical aspect of football the most lol

      2. oliver
        oliver
        November 22, 2009 at 8:41 am | | Reply


        “United crushed Chelsea for 90 minutes while Chelsea did a little here and there to keep it level”

        behave… per the opta stats, Chelsea had more territorial advantage but Man U had more possession (which implies Man U passed the ball around their own half a lot.) Chelsea had 6 shots on target to Man U’s 2.

        Man U did have more blocked/off-target shots and more corners though.

        I’m not saying Man U weren’t worth a point, but to describe it as a ‘crushing’ is incredibly one-sided

    2. The Gaffer
      November 21, 2009 at 9:15 pm | | Reply


      Brian, at times, yes they were so dominant that they were boring. But not always. They won the title the last few years but some of the games were close encounters where United scored in the last few minutes to win the games.

      This season Chelsea are so far ahead and so much better than the opposition, United included, that I don’t see anyone stopping them. At this rate, they’ll have the title wrapped up in record time.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      1. Duke
        Duke
        November 21, 2009 at 9:41 pm | | Reply


        Sounds good to me! Now, if we can just keep Chelsea from wetting the bed in Champions League play…

      2. Jorge Curioso
        Jorge Curioso
        November 23, 2009 at 4:51 am | | Reply


        Riiiiiiiiiight. Just like Liverpool last year and Arsenal a couple of years ago.

  2. brn442
    brn442
    November 21, 2009 at 10:47 pm | | Reply


    Chelsea are odds on for the title yes, but they will wobble this season. They are nowhere near the defensive fortress they were under Jose, plus with the African’s Nation Cup coming up in January who knows. They may not do a Newcastle type bottle but It may be closer than you think.

    1. brn442
      brn442
      November 21, 2009 at 10:54 pm | | Reply


      And another thing – the fact that Man City can bring a player the quality of Tevez off the bench whilst Liverpool can’t even dream of a striker anywhere near that class being in their first team says it all.

  3. iZy®
    iZy®
    November 22, 2009 at 2:03 am | | Reply


    tyson ur comment was long(i doubt u typed that lol)…but it was partially factual ….

  4. Richard
    Richard
    November 22, 2009 at 7:33 am | | Reply


    There was me thinking 3-0 actually flattered Everton.

  5. Jason
    Jason
    November 23, 2009 at 2:07 am | | Reply


    As far as relegation goes, right now its betwen Portsmouth, Wolverhampton, Bolton, West Ham United, Hull City and now Wigan. Birmingham and Blackburn Rovers gave themselves breathing room this week.

    I hope WHU and Bolton go down. I would have said Blackburn too but they look to be escaping from the dogfight. What do you think?

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