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  1. B-Mac
    B-Mac
    December 23, 2009 at 6:39 am | | Reply


    I think you are overrating a bit England’s Left Wing problem. James Milner has been tremendous as of late and slots in very nicely in the spot. Joe Cole is rounding back into form and could play the spot and it is hardly a worst case scenario to have Gerrard out on the Left Wing with a more holding player like Barry or Carrick in the Central Midfield. I think the real concern for England has to come in with Rio and at Goaltender. I anticipate Green being the man in goal. As for Rio, at this point whoever pairs with Terry won’t seem to cast too much fear for the American attack.

    1. David
      David
      December 23, 2009 at 11:16 am | | Reply


      I don’t think he’s concerned about the American attack. The point is that this is not a world class team. Just a group of guys, a few of which are considered world class, that are playing together. And I find it funny that you mention the US anyways because England have so much more to lose in that game than the Americans. I can see England spending a lot of time on them, and not so much on their own problems.

  2. Rob Dee
    Rob Dee
    December 23, 2009 at 10:34 am | | Reply


    Complete nonsense, Apart from the goalkeepers I’m completely happy with the squad, have you watched Lennon this season? well i have, every game in fact and am sure he will have a big impact in south Africa. Gerrard and Lampard cant play together, Ferdinand past it, no strikers!!! sounds like some old Lalas rant to me!! We may not win the world cup pal but at least we go with hope and thats a damn sight more than the USA will be going with. I’m sure the three lions will be out to prove a point in the first game and thats not going to be fun for America, but lots of fun for me!!!

    1. Eddie
      Eddie
      December 23, 2009 at 10:51 am | | Reply


      Yeah, I guess it’s come to England fans hanging their hats on a win against the US, who we’ve already heard from EPL Talk is crap.

      Everything the author said here is true, except I would agree about the comment about Milner made by B-Mac. Once again, the England squad will be crucified by the British media for not being the overwhelming force that they are falsely built up to be.

      Merry Christmas, everyone!

    2. David
      David
      December 23, 2009 at 11:19 am | | Reply


      I hope your blind optimism doesn’t become some truly typical English hatred if/when the team crashes out of next summer’s World Cup. The US will go into the game with a lot less to lose than England. But just like the gentleman above you, I find it hilarious that you bring up the US, and completely ignore the big picture that the British media has created, that anything less than the trophy is a failure.

      1. Allen
        Allen
        December 23, 2009 at 1:49 pm | | Reply


        To the problem of wingers:
        Milner
        Ashley Young
        Wright-Phillips???

        Have you altogether forgotten that Capello now plays Gareth Barry in that holding midfield position where he is so comfortable?

        And personally, I prefer Agbonlahor to Defoe, but you’re right if not exaggerating that this World Cup squad aren’t made of world champion material.

  3. Mario
    Mario
    December 23, 2009 at 1:02 pm | | Reply


    Am I the only one who thinks West Ham’s Green deserves a chance in goal for Three Lions? He’s solid and steady for the Hammers and I do not recall seeing him commit the gaffes that the incumbents, James and Robinson, seem prone to at the most inopportune times.

    1. Allen
      Allen
      December 23, 2009 at 1:51 pm | | Reply


      No, I really think that Rob Green is a fantastic keeper, but knowing Capello’s blind stubborn nature, I don’t think he will be able to get a spot in South Africa unless something miraculous happens.

  4. jleau
    jleau
    December 23, 2009 at 1:16 pm | | Reply


    James Milner is exactly the type of player that makes me question an English fans objectivity.

    He’s a decent player and I like the way he fits at Villa but he’s nowhere near world class and is not a difference maker.

    One can debate the definition of “world class”, but for my money England has only two players that really change games, Rooney and Gerrard. Most of the rest are good players but not ones that would force another team drastically change their tactics.

    1. Mario
      Mario
      December 23, 2009 at 1:24 pm | | Reply


      Good point, mate. Milner is coming into his own at 23 this year for club and country, but his true impact for Three Lions may not be felt until 2014.

  5. Richard
    Richard
    December 23, 2009 at 5:39 pm | | Reply


    What a load of shit.

    Too many terrible comments to bother pointing them out.

  6. Kevin
    Kevin
    December 23, 2009 at 5:48 pm | | Reply


    WTF at Lennon being “decent.” Currently the best winger in the Prem by a mile.

    1. Gian
      Gian
      April 8, 2010 at 12:37 pm | | Reply


      LOL Lennon = awful

      Theo for england nuff sed!

  7. Ian
    Ian
    December 23, 2009 at 5:58 pm | | Reply


    You seem to be getting the British media and English supporters. The majority of England supporters, so far as I am aware, are fully aware of the limitations of the team, and find the media overkill that surrounds every tournament to be thoroughly tedious. But, hey, you know, why go for reasonable debate when you can stoke up a shrill England vs USA argument that will do the protagonists on both sides few favours? To be honest, the writer of this piece is showing up the deficiencies in his own research by describing England supporters as “rabid”. Do better.

  8. Ian
    Ian
    December 23, 2009 at 5:59 pm | | Reply


    Sorry, the first sentence of that should read “You seem to be getting the British media and English supporters mixed up”.

  9. LI Matt
    LI Matt
    December 23, 2009 at 6:12 pm | | Reply


    Of course, if Ferdinand is not fit, Plan B is……..? Mathew Upson? Wes Brown? Ledley King?

    Woodgate — if he can put together three straight games without breaking something (King is beyond hope on that count).

    And of course there’s always Lescott, the fourth-most-expensive English player of all time….

  10. patrick
    patrick
    December 23, 2009 at 6:27 pm | | Reply


    Thing is you have to look at the teams that England lose to, like Italy, Argentina, Brazil, Portugal, France, Germany and the Dutch. Argentina, Portugal and France all have issues. All nearly didn’t qualify. Brazil is not the samba machine they once where and find ways to lose. Germany and Italy both are always strong, but not leaps and bounds above England. And lets be honest, and of those nations is up to be beat. You make the spot kicks, you get through… You know who scares me. The African nations. Ivory Coast in particular.

    As for the break down by position, every nation will face late season injuries, tired players and an aging group of players. Its really just a matter of becoming a team and playing together. Seems really simple, but last cup under Sven, they seemed detached and aloof. And defeated once Owen went out. The question really is, can Fabio get a bunch of over paid players and over blown egos to play together??? Get the formula right, you hold up the cup.

  11. jleau
    jleau
    December 23, 2009 at 10:17 pm | | Reply


    “Brazil find ways to lose”

    Good Lord that may be the most insane comment I’ve ever read on this site. When did Brazil find a way to lose anything? Let’s see they beat England a month ago, they won the the last major international tournament by coming from behind and 2 of the last 4 WC’s.

    Sure, Brazil just can’t seem to focus and get an important win.

  12. Tom Hingley
    Tom Hingley
    December 24, 2009 at 8:25 am | | Reply


    “Am I the only one who thinks West Ham’s Green deserves a chance in goal for Three Lions? He’s solid and steady for the Hammers and I do not recall seeing him commit the gaffes that the incumbents, James and Robinson, seem prone to at the most inopportune times. ”

    Oh dear.

    I take it you haven’t watched any football in the last few weeks?

    Rob Green has been shocking.

  13. Matt G
    Matt G
    December 25, 2009 at 6:10 pm | | Reply


    No England are not in the business of winning World Cups however your argument starts to crumble when you bring up McLaren and suggest that his succsess in Holland shows that our failiure to qualify from Euro 2008 was purely down to the players. If that was the case then Fabio wouldn’t have been able to do anything with the players either – instead we dominated our WCQ group.

    Bottom line, McLaren may be a good club manager but he proved utterly hopeless at international level.

    Goalies: You forgot about Robert Green.

    Defense: Upson’s not that bad.

    Midfield: Gareth Barry, Joe Cole, do these guys not exist in your reality?

    Strikers: You talk about Heskey’s goal ratio – that is not why Fabio plays him. Fabio’s Plan A is one goal getter or “assasin” as I call them(Rooney) paired up with a ball-holder(Heskey). It’s not how we did things in the past but it seems to work.

    Again I’m not looking for us to win but I am expecting us to be in the semis.

  14. Paul Bestall
    Paul Bestall
    December 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm | | Reply


    This after England’s most impressive qualifying campaign in history?? 9 goals past Croatia speaks for itself really.
    I’d hardly say they’re overated, but they’ll never have a better chance to win the World Cup than next year.

    1. Paul Bestall
      Paul Bestall
      December 30, 2009 at 6:57 pm | | Reply


      Oh, and you seem to miss the point that at no time during the friendly defeats did England play a full strength team. Friendlies make absolutely no difference to real tournaments, otherwise the USA would be world beaters wouldn’t they??

  15. Paul T
    Paul T
    January 25, 2010 at 2:31 pm | | Reply


    I am english and our overated overpaid fatcat fat ego underskilled football players deserve to lose in the world cup and get knocked out. Their wages and lifestyle are obscene and they deserve nothing. The english people though should not be tarnished with the same brush, we are mostly down to earth working class people like the rest of the world. Our premier league has grown into a vast corporate monster that needs to be stopped. Its got too big and too overated(due to sky satilite tv over here and their vast fortunes!). I for one would like to see a resurgence in serie a, the bundesliga, la liga and other euro/world leauges. Bring football back to the people please!

  16. Liam
    Liam
    March 3, 2010 at 5:17 am | | Reply


    This guy has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. For a start, Ashley Cole was and still is the best left back in the world and is having his best season at Chelsea. John Terry is a class act, and Rio Ferdinand although having a bad season at Man United, partly due to injuries, can still hit his best form at the world cup. Glen Johnson is not world class, but he is a very good player and is greatly improved from his Chelsea days. And he hasn’t been in the Liverpool team regularly because he’s been injured, NOT because he’s a poor player.
    Regarding Lampard and Gerrard, what do you mean “the debate has largely been abandoned”. Newsflash! It’s been resolved. Gerrard plays on the right providing support for Lampard while Gareth Barry plays a holding role. Furthermore, “do you know what they call a team that does not have a single natural left winger?” Not England that’s for sure because we have Joe Cole, who has suffered a lot with injuries over the past few seasons, but should hopefully be fit and back to his best for the world cup.
    That just leaves Wayne Rooney. You must feel like a complete tool. I know this was written a few months ago, but it turns out the “good” striker has scored 28 goals so far this season with a flurry of assists. I think that qualifies him as world class. Although Defoe is not on the same level as him, he’s still a good striker who scores a lot of goals. The only things I would agree with you on is the weakness of our goalies and the diabolically bad Emile Heskey.
    Anyway, that leaves England with six world class players with the rest of the team being more than competent. And with the likes of Argentina, France and Portugal all struggling to qualify and England winning 9/10 and scoring 34 goals (by far the most in Europe), I think we have a right to be optimistic.
    Phew. Rant over.

    1. Gian
      Gian
      April 8, 2010 at 12:42 pm | | Reply


      was this the sort of overoptimistic england fan you was looking for?

  17. David
    David
    May 7, 2010 at 8:05 pm | | Reply


    That Liam guy above is completely clueless. He spouted too much rubbish to even begin to address it, but one of the main points is using qualification as a barometer for what will happen in the tournament,when teams who have struggled to qualify have recently won the World Cup.

    Also, CONMEBOL’s qualifying marathon is much more difficult than England’s piss easy group where the biggest challengers were Croatia (in deep decline and suffering major injuries) and the Ukraine (who Scotland managed to beat 3-0 at Hampden in Euro 2008 qualifying).

    That guy up there who ‘expects’ England to make the semis like it’s a foregone conclusion is another example of myopic, misplaced English arrogance.

    All these idiots who are predicting big things for England will be left with egg on their faces. Again.

  18. jimmi mckelekerney
    jimmi mckelekerney
    June 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm | | Reply


    England’s International football team has been over-rated for years now. English players on the whole can not dribble, play confidendly with both feet, how can we expect them to win an international tournament. It always amazes that everybodies hopes are high when a tournament starst. I once argued that they will never win anything until they address the basic skills,i.e. players been confortable with both feet and the art of taking players on, my attempt was futile, all I got in response was the usual… blame the tactics….blame the manager….blame the selection…bla…bla..bla

  19. keith
    keith
    July 7, 2010 at 8:01 am | | Reply


    This is one of the most insightful articles that I have ever read. You would think you wrote the article after England were destroyed by Germany. But wait and see, come the European Championships, England will be over-rated again. They just aren’t good enough, each and every one of them panics on the ball, I blame a basic lack of skill and composure under pressure, added with the the added pressure from all the media hype.

  20. David
    David
    July 26, 2010 at 3:28 pm | | Reply


    People keep talking about a “decline” in the standard of English football on the international stage. When was it ever good? Other than a brief period in the late 60s, when have England ever looked world class?

    1950s-early 60s: Insular and deluded England teams regularly humbled by technically superior outfits.
    1966: World Cup winners at home
    1970: Beaten in quarter finals. First of many beatings at the hands of West Germany.
    1974: DNQ!
    1978: DNQ again!!
    1982: Didn’t lose a game, but out anyway before knockout rounds.
    1986: Beaten in quarter finals
    1990: Beaten in semi-finals
    1994: DNQ
    1998: Out in round of 16
    2002: Beaten in quarter finals
    2006: Beaten in quarter finals
    2010: Pummeled in round of 16

    Is this the record of a world-class soccer nation? Who cares if many of these exits were due to penalties – England have ALWAYS lacked something (skill, nerve, intelligence) in the last 40 years. If anything, the oughts represent a vast improvement over the 1970s.

    Where on Earth does this English expectation of greatness come from? And don’t the English ever learn from their mistakes? Apparently, kicking the ball up the field and running after it is not the soundest of tactics.

    The English have to be some of the dullest and deluded people on the planet.

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