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  1. Carolyn
    Carolyn
    June 7, 2010 at 7:18 am | | Reply


    For Liverpool fans, success is winning the Premier League title. Under Benitez the club came close last year only and had a great chance to win it (mostly because the other top teams were struggling early on) but could not do so because of Rafa’s “play not to lose” philosophy. Under Rafa the club played very unattractive football, were the only top side in the world that played like the away team when at Anfield trying to protect a lead. Unlike others I think he brought in good players but never used them properly because of his conservative tactics. Another top class manager would have done a lot better with the squad Rafa assembled. Rafa is very good at playing not to lose which is why he has been so successful in European tournaments but less so domestically. To win the Premier League title a club has to go out to win every match. That was never Rafa’s philosophy.

    What should also not be forgotten is that the two major trophies Liverpool won they did so via penalties, which is a crap shoot at best.

    All in all I would say he wasn’t a success given the talent at his disposal and the number of trophies won in 6 years. Regardless of the off-field problems with the owners, the on-field performance of the team wasn’t up to snuff. And that is the fault of Rafa Benitez.

    1. Bikram
      Bikram
      June 7, 2010 at 6:26 pm | | Reply


      You talk about the 2 penalty shoot-outs that led to the trophies. Firstly, OK Milan in 2005 were the better side, and penos are the luckiest way to win a competition, but what about 2007, we made it to the final again, beating 2 of the best teams in Europe along the way, and then lost to Milan in a game which Liverpool dominated in terms of possession and chances. Stevie G had plenty of chances to put the game away, but didn’t.

      In the FA Cup final, West Ham got 3 of the luckiest goals you will ever see – an OG by Carragher, and two mistakes by Pepe Reina, a fumble and a shot that should have been caught or parried away. Liverpool were the deserving winners in that game as well. Should I talk about the element of luck in both of Man U’s Champions League triumphs?

      Also, Benitez took a crap squad, and we finished above Arsenal three times in the 6 years, and consistently bettered their performance in the Champions League. The only team Liverpool was consistently behind was Man U (who spent more net from 2004-09) and Chelsea, who had seemingly unlimited resources.

      The idea that Benitez’s performance should be based only on his last season, which all of England seems to be doing, is ludicrous. Its like saying Sir Donald Bradman was a crap batsman because he scored a duck in his last innings.

  2. Anfield89
    Anfield89
    June 7, 2010 at 8:27 am | | Reply


    I don’t see how we can avoid making comparisons with Mourinho, especially as he was identified by Liverpool before Chelsea as the next manager but couldn’t compete financially.
    Rafa came with a good pedigree and had worked wonders in Spain. However, he has spent alot of money in his time at Anfield so the relative success and failure is his and his alone. Until the last 18 months, he wasn’t denied funds to strengthen his squad so blaming the owners alone is not entirely fair.
    Liverpool could and should have won the League last year but blew it big time (let’s not forget that the 4-1 victory at Old Trafford in Feb 2009 merely kept Liverpool in the race, having built a significant lead by the beginning of January).
    The best team wins their respective league, no matter how prestigious a cup win may be (yes, even the CL). Benitez was brought in to make Liverpool the best again, therefore you cannot say he succeeded.
    That said, getting rid of him now hasn’t solved anything; they would have been better off waiting for him to walk and picking up some compensation.
    Who in their right mind would take the Anfield job at the moment? Any manager who is in a job and doing well would be better off waiting (unless you are an ageing manager that has worked pretty much everywhere except a top English club and your moment has come….step forward Mr Hodgson)

  3. Tyson
    Tyson
    June 7, 2010 at 10:15 am | | Reply


    I don’t think Rafa was as bad a manager as people make it out but then again I think people defend Rafa without looking at the facts as well. It seems like a struggle between the people that love Rafa and those that despise him.

    I think the middle of the road view would be that he did pretty well but he could have done a lot better. Winning the Premier League title never has been easy, never. A lot of managers would struggle to win it regardless of whether they were in charge of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal or Manchester United.. its a very hard title to get.

    Benitez I think did a decent job of getting Liverpool into good shape. Liverpool have strengths and when they use those strengths they are very good. Of course they also had some luck at times.

    I think for me Benitez was a bit more failure than success though and it comes down to 2 figures. 70 players and 220 million pound. His transfer record has got to be one of the worst in history and I mean that literally. He was very bad in the transfer market and what annoys me is when pro-Rafa fans simply won’t recognise that and they say Benitez never had any money to spend. In the last 6 years the Benitez regime has spent significantly more than United, Chelsea or Arsenal. He had access to a LOT of money though he did have more rebuilding to do as well.

    I think if Liverpool end up with Roy Hodgson though they won’t regret losing Benitez. Benitez is a good manager but Hodgson is no slouch and I think his style of play will suit Liverpool better. Also what is Mark Hughes upto nowadays? Lets not forget he played under one of the best managers in football history and he does have the football IQ to use Liverpool to the best of their ability.

    I think as long as Liverpool keep all their star players they will be fine as long as they can get Hodgson or Hughes to sign on. The real disappointing thing for Liverpool has got to be not finishing fourth. The Champions League is a very lucrative league that would have done nicely to boost the coffers of Liverpool next season.

  4. Chris McQuade
    Chris McQuade
    June 7, 2010 at 10:53 am | | Reply


    In (m) Out (m) Net (m)
    06/07 sea 18.32 27.5 -9.18
    07/08 sea 33.65 69.5 -35.85
    08/09 sea 35.5 38.5 -3
    09/10 sea 44.5 36 8.5
    Total -39.53

    That’s the transfer spend over the American’s tenure. If you factor in a reasonable transfer budget of 20m. Which is modest given the tv revenue the EPL passes on and the 4 years of Champs League football (3m prize money for simply making the group stage) Then Rafa has been short changed and has led to a paper thin squad.

    1. Patrick
      Patrick
      June 7, 2010 at 3:04 pm | | Reply


      Shouldn’t Rafa be held responsiable of development of younger players? Relying solely on the transfer market to bring in talent is a losing formula to me.
      If you don’t have the funds to go head to head with “the big boys” development of your youth squad is essential. Look at what Arsen Wegner and Roy Hodgson have done with lack of funding.

      1. Bikram
        Bikram
        June 7, 2010 at 6:28 pm | | Reply


        Patrick, Arsene Wenger and Hodgson at least had full control of their youth policy. Rafa was given full control after 5 FULL YEARS.

      2. Allen
        Allen
        June 7, 2010 at 6:30 pm | | Reply


        This is precisely why I think that Ancelotti will succeed at Chelsea. He has now focused on both relying on the transfer market whilst bringing up promising youngsters from the Youth Academy as opposed to the Mourinho Era of buy-buy-buy. I suppose there was the lack of morale that came with the lack of funding that Rafa had during his time at Pool manager, but regardless, to ardently refuse to develop players from the youth level is a losing situation for both he and the club and as we can all see, its repercussions have been felt this past season.

  5. Eious
    Eious
    June 7, 2010 at 4:51 pm | | Reply


    He won 2 trophies early and completed destroyed Liverpool after that….I mean, where they are NOW is due to his laughable transfer history on the WHOLE

    Blaming the owners is what people do when they have no clue what they are talking about…LOOK AT HOW MUCH HE SPENT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

    1. Bikram
      Bikram
      June 7, 2010 at 6:29 pm | | Reply


      68 million net in 6 years. -10 in the last 2 years. Was a Champions League final and 2nd placed finish completely destroying Liverpool? Muppet.

  6. Media Man
    Media Man
    June 7, 2010 at 8:47 pm | | Reply


    It’s a moot point. He’s gone now.

    In the end, whoever the manager may be, the person in charge will be fired as soon as new ownership takes over. Even if Rafa had stayed in charge, he would have been canned by the new regime anyway.

    This is why I think LFC will end up with an interim appointment, and no career manager is going to want to take the job.

    I still think there is a story behind the story, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Rafa’s dismissal was an attempt to keep Gerrard.

  7. paulw
    paulw
    June 8, 2010 at 1:41 am | | Reply


    I like the theory put forth by media man. Was this the reason for the sulky season? While I have disagreed with some of his decisions the one thing that Rafa understood more the any manager than Bill Shankly was the heritage of the club. He adapted to being a Liverpudlian and respected the club, not imposing his authority. I hope he does well at Inter Milan and gives the English clubs a good drubbing. LFC will miss RAFA in the years to come. As it is stated in the Bible “daughters pf Jerusalem
    weep not for me but for your children”

  8. Sami S.
    Sami S.
    June 8, 2010 at 6:58 pm | | Reply


    I’ve always felt that Rafa was never suited for the Premier League. His tactics were better suited for a league like Serie A (incidently he spent a lot of time studying football tactics in Italy). Now that he is the new Inter manager I think you will see him do well compared to his time at Liverpool.

    Success is a relative term. In managing a top 4 team he was not a success. In managing a top 7 team he was a success.

  9. rsf
    rsf
    September 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm | | Reply


    With Rafa he always had the biggest expectations.One small slip they call him the Spanish Waiter or whatever.Arsenal fans dont even mind getting 7th place.It was very hard for him.I really miss him.He had a bigger heart than most other Liverpool fans can dream of.

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