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  1. Azzmaniac
    Azzmaniac
    July 10, 2009 at 1:18 pm | | Reply


    Great article mate you clearly have alot of passion for the game.

  2. Orlando
    Orlando
    July 10, 2009 at 1:19 pm | | Reply


    Hi am leaving in chicago, originally from Belize although my country is no where near to being good on the football map i love football. I played the game when little and love to watch it now. I recently started watching the Epl and i felt in love with Chelsea, i knew they had my heart after they lost the champions league against manchester, i remember i left work to watch at home running the risk of getting fired and at the end i had that feeling in my that i knew that was the team i loved. I recently found your website and i think is great. Hopefully you let us know as soon as you can who get the epl rights for 2010-2013 in usa. Hope Espn does since i think it would be more avaible for the fans. Once again keep the good work and love your story and passion for the beautiful game.

  3. Chris from Texas
    Chris from Texas
    July 10, 2009 at 1:34 pm | | Reply


    Ethan,

    My story is almost identical to yours, which has been great to read. I also fell in love with the game after the World Cup and started watching and playing immediately after.

    I became a Liverpool fan for many different reasons. The history was a big draw, but the story of Steven Gerrard was what captured my heart. He was not only an amazing player, he was Liverpool born. Something about a player growing up and then captaining his local team is amazing in this age of sell outs. Gerrard was my favorite player and while he faces competition from the Xabi Alonso, his inspirational play during key comebacks last season showed that he was a higher quality player than most footballers in the EPL.

    After picking Liverpool as my team, an Arsenal fan tried to sway me over to the dark side. I looked at the team and their games and felt the same way that you did. Arsenal is a french team in an english league.

    I’m glad you found your pub, that always makes it easier to have a great pub with some friendly (and at times unfriendly) competition. I am about to go through withdrawal due to a move to Pittsburgh. Does anyone know of any EPL pubs in Pittsburgh?

    1. Ethan Armstrong
      Ethan Armstrong
      July 10, 2009 at 1:51 pm | | Reply


      Chris,

      LiveSoccerTv.com has a pubs page (and I see one in Pittsburgh at first glance: Piper’s Pub).

      I also like Setanta USA’s Venue Finder. Type in your zip code and it will show places that have Setanta. Unless they are a rugby bar, they will probably show FSC too. Irish pubs are often a good bet. At least where I am.

      I was fortunate enough to find the Boston Liverpool Supporters Club who meet at the Phoenix Landing for games. I hope you find something similar (or at least a few more LFC supporters to watch with).

  4. Eduardo
    Eduardo
    July 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm | | Reply


    Chris,

    Liverpool is mostly a team made up of foreign players like Arsenal. Gerrard and Carragher are the only two English players that play regularly. In fact many
    of them are Spanish. And with a Spanish manager. The same goes for
    United and Chelsea. If you want to support a
    predominately English side you wont find that in the top 4. That is the beauty
    Of the EPL.

  5. cooper
    cooper
    July 10, 2009 at 3:00 pm | | Reply


    being an american who latched on to the prem as well I think one thing often overlooked by newbie prem supporters is the history of the club. Orlando, who commented above about becoming a chelsea fan, probably doesnt know that during world war II chelsea fans were supporters of the nazi’s and would sing their praises at matches, and sing extremely demeaning songs against jewish clubs such as Totenham. While im sure Orlando is not a jew, since hes from belize, i still think its important to know about the club you support and their supporters. I found that info in a book called “how soccer explains the world”. extremely good read for any avid soccer fan.

  6. THFC4LIFE
    THFC4LIFE
    July 10, 2009 at 3:28 pm | | Reply


    Just wanted to say that I am not American, I am English, born & raised in North London & supporter of the mighty cockerel since I could just about walk. I find it very interesting reading about people discovering English football & the processes they then go thru in picking a team to support. A team is like a tattoo, its with you for life, so you better make sure you make the right choice. Whether the decision is made by following some logical steps or by picking a name out of a hat or by something altogether more instinctive and primal, it doesn’t really matter as long as it is right for you. It is something that never really occurred to me before, having to ‘pick’ a team to follow. In England footie is part of our lives from such an early age we all know who our teams are long before we actually understand the notion of choice. There are various things that we grow up with also that would be completely incomprehensible to an American. The intense rivalry of derby days does get diluted in translation & whilst, I am sure, Americans have strong rivalries in your own sports, I would imagine that very few are separated by less than a few miles. Growing up in North London it is something that I was immediately aware of, having one school full of Spurs & another virtually across the road full of Gooners makes your allegiance much more important than just 90 min on a Saturday afternoon. Anyway, I’m glad to hear so many positive tales coming from across the pond, even if so many of them are about the Bindippers & Steven bloody Gerrard (at least they aren’t about L’Arse). I have to say that I don’t really get the article writer’s obsession with Crouch, he does my nut in, but each to their own I suppose. It’s a shame how you became so close to making the correct choice & then just flushed your soul down the toilet & went with Liverpool in the end. Anyway, we got you at the Lane for the big kick-off & there’s sure to be plenty of SFM’s as you put it! COYS.

  7. Chris from Texas
    Chris from Texas
    July 10, 2009 at 4:55 pm | | Reply


    Thanks for the pub finding solutions everyone!

  8. Colin
    Colin
    July 10, 2009 at 6:29 pm | | Reply


    Well written…sounds pretty similar to my story.
    I know the coat of arms well (I played soccer at UNH)
    I too was looking for a team around that same time, I was raised a ManU fan my whole life mostly due to the fact my father is a ManU fanatic, but I never felt connected with anyone besides giggs. I decided to find my own team and Liverpool had the same effect on me. I chose not to make my decision based on particular players, because I know players come and go year to year…and then I found my lineage went back to Liverpool, easy choice.
    cheers

  9. Tyson
    Tyson
    July 10, 2009 at 7:01 pm | | Reply


    That was pretty deep.

    I’m a Manchester United support and well I was born and grew up here.

    The reason I support United is twofold.

    1: Its my home team.

    2: Liverpool is known as the cultural center of Europe and London is a worldwide city. Few people outside of England have heard of Manchester though but Manchester United have changed that.

    We are a small city nobody on the world stage has heard about. You have to understand when Manchester United were first formed we had a field in the middle of nowhere while teams like Liverpool were dominating world football.

    Manchester United was set up by a rail road company and given a patch of land and had to contend with titans.

    We didn’t have much going for us but look where we are now with the biggest home football stadium in England and on our way to being the most successful team in England.

    This is a team from a city nobody has heard of and we owe a large part of our success to a manager that treats Manchester United not like a large sports entity but like his life. I’d like to see another manager who spends his managing career at one club.

    Manchester United for us Manchunians is a sign of triumph. We built a worldwide entity from a little team that played in a field in the middle of nowhere.

    1. Harrington
      Harrington
      July 11, 2009 at 11:40 pm | | Reply


      Excuse me Mr. “Tyson” but what exactly are you on about?

      Manchester is a small city? It’s population is actually 25,000 greater than that of Liverpool’s, and it’s metro area is twice the size of Liverpool’s, at 2.2 million. Man United moved out of their “field in the middle of nowhere” (aka North Road, capacity ~15000) and into their 50000 capacity ground at Bank Street in 1893 when there was no such thing as “world football.” Indeed, Liverpool FC had just been founded a year earlier.

      I don’t know what people you talk to but I certainly have heard of Manchester outside of football and I live in the USA. I learned a regrettable amount of history about Man United in researching my response to your statement, but I felt it was necessary because I had a feeling that you were being ridiculous. Every football club can claim to be built up from “a little team that played in a field.” It certainly sounds impressive until you mention that they played in a field in the 1880′s at a time when most other clubs were playing in small fields, if they were even playing at all. It’s fine that you have passion and commitment to you club but don’t make us all nauseous by drawing up an absurd Cinderella story that is as disgustingly overwrought as it is entirely misleading.

  10. Mark Flint
    Mark Flint
    July 10, 2009 at 7:29 pm | | Reply


    I too just recently became a big fan, and find that Spurs and Fulham are the teams I’ve been supporting. I’m just afraid I’m going to go to London and find out I’ve been cheering the wrong side. Hard to tell without knowledge of the culture. Great picture of Crouch!

    1. The Gaffer
      July 10, 2009 at 10:59 pm | | Reply


      Depends what kind of culture you like because the neighborhoods surrounding Fulham and Tottenham’s grounds are quite the opposite. Cultures are quite different too.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      1. Mark Flint
        Mark Flint
        July 11, 2009 at 9:12 am | | Reply


        Gaffer,

        How are they different?

        Thanks,

        Mark

        1. The Gaffer
          July 11, 2009 at 3:31 pm | | Reply


          The area around Fulham’s Craven Cottage is filled with leafy neighborhoods and some of the most expensive real-estate in London. Lots of Edwardian architecture, and the ground is next to a park alongside the River Thames. Idyllic, yes. The area is filled with very affluent Londoners.

          Tottenham’s White Hart Lane, from the outside, looks like a prison. But the area around the ground in North London is congested and a totally different experience entirely. Lots of different ethnic groups.

          If you haven’t done so already, check out my photos from both grounds (and areas) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/epltalk/sets/

          And be sure to read my free eBook entitled ‘In Pursuit Of Real Football,’ which offers tips and a travelogue of my journey a few years ago to London, which included trips to Craven Cottage and White Hart Lane: http://www.epltalk.com/epl-travel-guide/

          Cheers,
          The Gaffer

          1. Mark Flint
            Mark Flint
            July 11, 2009 at 6:10 pm |


            Much appreciated Gaffer!

  11. Mark
    Mark
    July 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm | | Reply


    5/25/05 Istanbul. YNWA

  12. Bill
    Bill
    July 11, 2009 at 2:52 am | | Reply


    To THFC4LIFE:

    If you would like to learn some things about long-standing rivalries, check out college sports in the U.S. Many of these go back to the late nineteenth century, and are as bitter as any sports rivalry you’ll find. I happen to live in “Big 10″ country (probably won’t make sense if you’re not a Yank), so the first one that comes to mind is Michigan/Ohio State. A lot of college towns don’t have professional sports teams either, so dedication to one’s college team starts early and lasts a lifetime, whether you actually attend the school or not.

    That said, I’ve found myself becoming a Chelsea fan this summer, I think because they were the team I had the most exposure to. Yes, I know it doesn’t make any rational sense, but I’ve never felt sports fandom was anything to be rational about!

    Hopefully I can upgrade my cable package to include FSC soon and have the chance to get elbows-deep in the EPL this season.

  13. junk
    junk
    July 11, 2009 at 3:13 am | | Reply


    I started watching in 2001 or so. Took one season to get my bearings and found that I didn’t really like any one team above the others, but I knew that I loathed Arsenal. Next season, I was a Spurs supporter.

  14. Clark Meyer
    July 11, 2009 at 11:01 am | | Reply


    Great story, Ethan.

    Way back in ’78/’79, my family lived in England for a year, and on my first day as the new kid in 5th grade, all my new mates immediately wanted to know “Who do you support?” I had no idea what they were asking, but it was clear that my answer was of great import. I thank my lucky stars that Andrew Billingham was standing next to me and that we had already developed the faintest of bonds. “Liverpool,” he told the others, and that was that. I still think about the near miss; had I been closer to Gareth Bevan, I might have become a Manc supporter. I’d probably be a horrible asshole today.

    I took in everything football for ten months, but when we moved back to the States, I spent the next 20 years wondering about my team. I heard about Hillsborough and Heysel (the only type of soccer news that ever appeared in American media at the time) and that was about it. My “League Champions 1979″ scarf went into storage.

    But then along came the internet and then FSC and then I found that Fado opened early on weekends for live matches, and those seeds that had lain fallow in the ground for decades were able to sprout with a vengeance. Now, “League Champions 1979″ hangs on the wall in my classroom, and–wonder of wonders–I get students dropping by my room in the afternoons to talk about last weekend’s match.

  15. Sean from St. Louis
    Sean from St. Louis
    July 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm | | Reply


    Great story Ethan.
    I’ve been a footballer since I was five, played until I was 19, then a follower since.
    Initially, I was a bundesliga fan (Soccer Made in Germany, anyone?) since cable wasn’t around yet. I remember seeing a pick of John Barnes in the late 80′s that really piqued my interest and slowly over the years as TV coverage increased my love affair with the Scouse Army was fed. As an American, the Manc Scum and Chelsea these days remind me of the Yankees. They spend and spend and win all, and I hate them (I’m a lifelong Cardinals fan). Liverpool are always the underdog in my book, and I see this incredible bias towards anything LFC related from the British Media (probably the provincial attitude of the Londoners). Plus, I am of Irish ancestry and Liverpool is a very Irish city. Anyway, you made a great choice and it certainly was a fun article. Cheers.

  16. Stanfield
    Stanfield
    July 11, 2009 at 6:58 pm | | Reply


    Sadly, my family decided to emigrate from England to Canada when I was all of four – slightly too young to have been branded by any particular club. Regionally, I would have been stuck with the Woking Cardinals or, in the First Division, either FFC or (shudder) Chelsea. But it was the 70′s, I’m English and I live in the colonies. Sod the hometown (and Dad’s Bluebirds for that matter), Paisley’s Reds are the biggest, best, most exciting club to ever take a pitch in the British Empire. Maybe it was jumping on the bandwagon, but, hell – I was 7 and like THFC4LIFE said, picking you club is like getting a tattoo (or herpes if you’re unfortunate enough to be a Chelsea or ManUre supporter).

    There were two other factors that proved I had picked the perfect club for me, one: Kenny Daglish has the same birthday as me (I was 8 when he came south to replace Keegan) and two, my last name is St. Anfield – a match made in heaven!

    Great article Ethan! YNWA!

  17. gary woodard
    gary woodard
    July 11, 2009 at 8:55 pm | | Reply


    Good article. You show alot of passion for the game, which is a common trait of all Liverpool FC’s fans. if you ever get the chance to visit Anfield, do so, you will not regret it.
    YNWA

  18. Matilda
    July 12, 2009 at 12:40 am | | Reply


    I’m a Bolton Wanderers supporter (you spelled Jussi wrong by the way). My dad grew up in London and moved to Texas when he was about 25, so he never lived in Bolton, but my grandparents did and we are all through and through Wanderers. I feel your pain being a football supporter over here (especially since I support a non-Big 4 club, which almost no one else around here does), but live feeds are beautiful things since FSC only shows about 3/4′s of the games.

    You should make a pilgrimage to Anfield, I went last Christmas to see Liverpool v. Bolton (we lost 3-0) and it’s a lovely place, the atmosphere is electrifying.

    Also as a Liverpool supporter you should be sure to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcy3gwwxat4
    It’s a rap recorded by the 1988 FA Cup winning squad. Priceless

  19. Jay
    Jay
    July 12, 2009 at 11:03 am | | Reply


    My father is from Serbia originally. When I was a child he used to tell me about the Busby Babes and the classy way they played. He told me about the game they had with Red Star in Belgrade and the Munich tragedy on their way home from the match. I have no actual British ties, so in the EPL I support Man U since they earned my father’s lifelong respect, and I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.

  20. jay
    jay
    July 12, 2009 at 2:28 pm | | Reply


    good article thanks for the write-ups. Always interesting to hear other’s stories.

    Commenter Eduardo,
    You say that no top-4 team has many English players, yet Man Utd has a ton of them: Rooney, now Owen, Ferdinand, Neville, Brown, Hargreaves, Carrick. I’m probably missing a few too.

  21. Gedo
    Gedo
    July 12, 2009 at 5:37 pm | | Reply


    WC 2006 was it for me as well. I was 36 and never watched Euro Football – my only exposure was American soccer which didn’t spark any interest. In 2006, the WC blew me away and I didn’t want it to end. One player who caught my eye was T.Henry which started an internet research project on my part. Who was his club team?…were they any good? All I knew is I wanted to see more of TH14. I became on Arsenal fan right then and there before I had ever seen an Arsenal match. Unfortunately, I caught him on the downside and was gutted when he went to Barcelona. I won’t forget the winning header vs. ManU in Jan 07 in the 90th minute, though. Thanks to FSC and Setanta US, I’ve only missed two matches in the last three years (including all FA Cup and CC matches). If only I had seen the Invincibles…..

  22. Sam
    Sam
    July 12, 2009 at 10:48 pm | | Reply


    You support Liverpool.

    Fa**ot.

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