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		<title>Champions League – Group Stage Draw</title>
		<link>http://www.epltalk.com/champions-league-group-stage-draw-10411</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Schiavone</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[APOEL]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[fiorentina]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[G Sevilla]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Stage]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Zlatan Ibrahimovic]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Group A Bayern Munchen Juventus Bordeaux Maccabi Haifa Group B Manchester United CSKA Moskow Besiktas Wolfsburg Group C AC Milan Real Madrid Marseille FC Zurich Group D Chelsea Porto Atletico Madrid APOEL Group E Liverpool Lyon Fiorentina Debrecen Group F &#8230;]]></description>
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<p><img src="/media/2009/08/3271128343_2253bb1035_o.bmp" alt="3271128343 2253bb1035 o Champions League   Group Stage Draw" title="Champions League" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-10412" /></p>
<p><strong>Group A</strong></p>
<p>Bayern Munchen<br />
Juventus<br />
Bordeaux<br />
Maccabi Haifa</p>
<p><strong>Group B</strong></p>
<p>Manchester United<br />
CSKA Moskow<br />
Besiktas<br />
Wolfsburg</p>
<p><strong>Group C</strong></p>
<p>AC Milan<br />
Real Madrid<br />
Marseille<br />
FC Zurich</p>
<p><strong>Group D</strong></p>
<p>Chelsea<br />
Porto<br />
Atletico Madrid<br />
APOEL</p>
<p><strong>Group E</strong></p>
<p>Liverpool<br />
Lyon<br />
Fiorentina<br />
Debrecen</p>
<p><strong>Group F</strong></p>
<p>Barcelona<br />
Internazionale<br />
Dynamo Kiev<br />
Rubin Kazan</p>
<p><strong>Group G</strong></p>
<p>Sevilla<br />
Rangers<br />
Stuttgart<br />
Unirea Urziceni</p>
<p><strong>Group H</strong></p>
<p>Arsenal<br />
AZ Alkmaar<br />
Olympiakos<br />
Standard Liege</p>
<p><strong>Reaction</strong></p>
<p>Manchester United along with Arsenal have fairly straightforward groups and both should be looking to come out on top.</p>
<p>Chelsea have a couple of tough away trips to Porto and Madrid, while APOEL will prove to be Group D’s whipping boys.</p>
<p>Liverpool have a very tricky draw, Lyon spent big in the summer and thrashed Anderlecht in the qualifiers, plus Fiorentina are always a tough team, though I would expect Liverpool to progress as winners.</p>
<p>Other highlights include Zlatan Ibrahimovic returning to Inter and Kaka facing his beloved Milan. While Scottish representatives Rangers will be looking to progress and have a real chance of doing so.</p>
<p>Your thoughts on the draw please.</p>
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		<title>Nine Football Announcing Cliches We Could Do Without</title>
		<link>http://www.epltalk.com/nine-football-announcing-cliches-we-could-do-without-2952</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard Whittall</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the 1.24 billion league matches on offer at Sky, Setanta, and the Other Ones, you can’t really blame professional football announcers for over-relying on their trusty grab bag of football clichés.  But now that John ‘Motty’ Motson has left &#8230;]]></description>
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<p>With the 1.24 billion league matches on offer at Sky, Setanta, and the Other Ones, you can’t really blame professional football announcers for over-relying on their trusty grab bag of football clichés.  But now that John ‘Motty’ Motson has left for good, I think it’s time to wipe the slate clean in English football.  Here is a list of stock footie commentator observations I would like to personally shank to Row Z.</p>
<p><strong>1.    <em>It’s a dream start for [insert team name here]</em> – Said if there is a goal in the first ten minutes.</strong> A dream start?  Does nicking a goal before the other team within ten minutes of kick-off really constitute some sort of Dionysian reverie?  Do the scoring players run into their managers’ arms crying, “I must be dreaming!”?</p>
<p><strong>2.    <em>He really should have scored there</em> – Normally heard when an opposing forward manages to make a foot or two of free space on a corner or free-kick and makes contact with the ball only to see if go wide or over.</strong> He should have should he?  Have you ever played football?  Do you live on a planet where scoring on every single free-header is considered some sort of categorical imperative?  I’d even prefer, ‘That were close, innit?’</p>
<p><strong>3.    <em>The crowd is sensing something here</em> – Used when the home side manages to string four or more passes in the opposing half, causing supporters to murmer in unison.</strong> Unless those twenty thousand large men singing “No One Likes Us” are Spidermen or Deanna Troy clones in disguise, I don’t think they’re sensing anything.  I think they’d like to see a goal.</p>
<p><strong>4.    <em>That should provide some talking points after the match</em> – Uttered after a red card, two-footed tackle, missed penalty call, etc.</strong> This is one of the worst.  Dumb people who work in politics use talking points.  Football journalists cover stories.  Know the difference and you’ve won half the battle (another one!)</p>
<p><strong>5.    <em>This top-of-the-table-clash promises to be a thriller </em>– Is it Grand Slam Sunday already?</strong> Come on…most of us have been watching the Premier League for years now.  Even if you’ve only been following the league since last season, you’d have a pretty good hunch that Liverpool v. Chelsea should not be watched while working with heavy machinery.   Let the game do the talking.</p>
<p><strong>6.   <em> Time for one more goal maybe? </em> Winning side gets possession in the last minute of injury time.</strong> Who knows?  Maybe there’s still time for one more throw-in perhaps?  Or another goal kick?  Or another sideline foul?  I was going to flip to the weather channel now that we’re four-up on Bolton, but since you’ve reminded me the possibilities are endless, I think I’ll stay.</p>
<p><strong>7.    <em>Could they score here?  What a story that would be!</em> – Side one-goal-down gets possession in the last minute of injury time.</strong> My club is losing and they haven’t created a decent chance in the last half hour. Please please please please leave me alone.</p>
<p><strong>8.    <em>A goal at this point would only be consolation</em> – Side two-or-more-down gets possession in the last minute of injury time. </strong>I feel consoled we’ve lost five-one instead of five-nil.  Yowza.  Off to the pub now, right as rain.  Anyway, the joke’s on the announcer – I switched to the weather station three goals ago.</p>
<p><strong>9.  <em>[Insert team name here] have been ripped apart</em> — An absolute shower gets hammered.  Think Liverpool 8 Besiktas 0.</strong> You know, they’re not actually killing each other out there.  I’d love to see some poor defender’s intestines hanging off Steven Gerrard’s fists on a quiet Saturday morning, but then football would be pay-per-view and I wouldn’t be able to afford it.  Perhaps I’ve given Scudamore an idea though…</p>
<p><em>Richard Whittall runs <a href="http://amoresplendidlife.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">A More Splendid Life</a>, a blog that chronicles one fan’s escape to the beautiful game.</em></p>
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