Comments on: Two Academy Subs Would Be a Mistake http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242 Daily News & Analysis of the English Premier League Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:44:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: lsmetana http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242#comment-22941 lsmetana Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:26:51 +0000 504593745#comment-22941 This problem has been debated over and over and will likely continue to get debated. I much prefer the idea that clubs need to build up through their academy systems then continue to just go out and buy players all the time. I'm not against going out and bringing in a truly talented foreign player, what really seems silly is going out and spending money on mediocre foreign players when the club in question could have got the same performance from their academy players. This problem has been debated over and over and will likely continue to get debated. I much prefer the idea that clubs need to build up through their academy systems then continue to just go out and buy players all the time. I'm not against going out and bringing in a truly talented foreign player, what really seems silly is going out and spending money on mediocre foreign players when the club in question could have got the same performance from their academy players.

]]> By: Auslander25 http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242#comment-22862 Auslander25 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:15:59 +0000 504593745#comment-22862 World Class (to me) means that you could walk into the starting 11 for any team in the world (national or club). Based on that criteria the only English players that come close, IMO, are Gerrard, Rooney and Ferdinand. In the Premiership, I think you can only call Ronaldo, Torres and maybe Cech World Class. World Class (to me) means that you could walk into the starting 11 for any team in the world (national or club). Based on that criteria the only English players that come close, IMO, are Gerrard, Rooney and Ferdinand. In the Premiership, I think you can only call Ronaldo, Torres and maybe Cech World Class.

]]> By: ihuy01 http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242#comment-22831 ihuy01 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:35:27 +0000 504593745#comment-22831 If define Steven Gerrard as world class then you have to say Cesc has a good argument. For me world class is way too broadly applied. None the less by you reckoning i would say Cesc is up there. He was the top assister in England and if im not wrong he had the most assists at the euros? and also chipped in with a few goals early on in the season and had 13 in all comps.. I would take Fabregas over Gerrard that is my personal opinion, i just think his a better passer of the football. I think Arsenal are greatly dependent on him, in a similar way to Gerrard. Gerrard in his own right is an excellent footballer and he does have case for being the best in his position. Time and time again he wins games. Like it or not the game is defined by success and he has champions league victory to his name. I have reservations on the dynamism of his passing game (i think his need to pass hollywood style and drive up with the ball is not exactly conducive to possession style of international football) and his tactical discipline (his been a problem for england managers and rafa himself). If define Steven Gerrard as world class then you have to say Cesc has a good argument. For me world class is way too broadly applied. None the less by you reckoning i would say Cesc is up there. He was the top assister in England and if im not wrong he had the most assists at the euros? and also chipped in with a few goals early on in the season and had 13 in all comps.. I would take Fabregas over Gerrard that is my personal opinion, i just think his a better passer of the football. I think Arsenal are greatly dependent on him, in a similar way to Gerrard. Gerrard in his own right is an excellent footballer and he does have case for being the best in his position. Time and time again he wins games. Like it or not the game is defined by success and he has champions league victory to his name. I have reservations on the dynamism of his passing game (i think his need to pass hollywood style and drive up with the ball is not exactly conducive to possession style of international football) and his tactical discipline (his been a problem for england managers and rafa himself).

]]> By: artist formerly alex hleb http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242#comment-22821 artist formerly alex hleb Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:14:34 +0000 504593745#comment-22821 oh michael, oh michael. fabregas is a world class player if you consider his career achievements: Individual Professional Footballers' Association Premier League Player of the Month: January 2007, September 2007 PFA Young Player of the Year: 2007–08 PFA Team of the Year: 2007–08 Euro 2008 Team of the tournament Europe UEFA Team of the Year: 2006 UEFA Team of the Tournament: 2008 Arsenal Winner FA Cup: 2004–05 FA Community Shield: 2004–05 Spain Winner European Championship: 2008 (via wikipidia) As far as watching him, when he is in the line up Arsenal are a much better team, and if you consider Arsenal a world class, team, barring your bais against them, then I think Fabregas is a world class player if he makes a world class team even better. He scored that goal against Milan, in the champions league last year for the 10 games that he played he had 6 goals and 3 assists, and he scored that penalty and another goal for spain in the euros. By comparison Steven Gerrard scored only 6 goals in 13 games in the champions league last year and his teams seem to play better without him lately since they beat manure and england beat croatia. And lets not stop at fabregas being world class, you are discrediting samir nasri who has the potential, robin van persie who with 3 goals already and with his performance for holland in the euros is making a case for himself, and adebayor who already has 3 goals as well scoring 30 goals in the premier league last season. right now, arsenal has the best striking tandem in the premier league with adebayor and van persie. its simply a fact. 3 goals each in 4 games that they played together. so dont say that arsenal dont have any world class players, even though youre forgetting that arsenal were serious contendors in the champions league and finished only 4 points behind manure for the title, as well as 7 points ahead of liverpool who finished 11 points away from manure. its a matter of fact. besides, fabregas just turned only 21. you compare him to a 21 year old gerrard. gerrard wouldnt be able to be on the same pitch then. when gerrard was 21, he had only 2 goals in 15 games in the champions league, and only scored 11 goals in 94 games for liverpool. but like i said, cesc last year being only 20, scored 6 in 10 games in the champions league, and has scored 25 goals and made 49 assists in 201 games for arsenal. but i take it your not a fact man, you think about things from the gut, like president bush. oh michael, oh michael. fabregas is a world class player if you consider his career achievements:
Individual

Professional Footballers’ Association
Premier League Player of the Month: January 2007, September 2007
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2007–08
PFA Team of the Year: 2007–08
Euro 2008 Team of the tournament
Europe
UEFA Team of the Year: 2006
UEFA Team of the Tournament: 2008

Arsenal

Winner
FA Cup: 2004–05
FA Community Shield: 2004–05

Spain

Winner
European Championship: 2008

(via wikipidia)

As far as watching him, when he is in the line up Arsenal are a much better team, and if you consider Arsenal a world class, team, barring your bais against them, then I think Fabregas is a world class player if he makes a world class team even better. He scored that goal against Milan, in the champions league last year for the 10 games that he played he had 6 goals and 3 assists, and he scored that penalty and another goal for spain in the euros. By comparison Steven Gerrard scored only 6 goals in 13 games in the champions league last year and his teams seem to play better without him lately since they beat manure and england beat croatia.
And lets not stop at fabregas being world class, you are discrediting samir nasri who has the potential, robin van persie who with 3 goals already and with his performance for holland in the euros is making a case for himself, and adebayor who already has 3 goals as well scoring 30 goals in the premier league last season.
right now, arsenal has the best striking tandem in the premier league with adebayor and van persie. its simply a fact. 3 goals each in 4 games that they played together.
so dont say that arsenal dont have any world class players, even though youre forgetting that arsenal were serious contendors in the champions league and finished only 4 points behind manure for the title, as well as 7 points ahead of liverpool who finished 11 points away from manure. its a matter of fact.
besides, fabregas just turned only 21. you compare him to a 21 year old gerrard. gerrard wouldnt be able to be on the same pitch then. when gerrard was 21, he had only 2 goals in 15 games in the champions league, and only scored 11 goals in 94 games for liverpool. but like i said, cesc last year being only 20, scored 6 in 10 games in the champions league, and has scored 25 goals and made 49 assists in 201 games for arsenal.

but i take it your not a fact man, you think about things from the gut, like president bush.

]]> By: Michael http://www.epltalk.com/two-academy-subs-would-be-a-mistake/3242#comment-22811 Michael Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:35:59 +0000 504593745#comment-22811 Darren, I actually do like Alex. We've had our disagreements over time, yes, but I don't dislike him for that or disrespect him for that at all.<br><br>Fabregas is not a world-class player..yet. He has the potential to be, definitely, but I can't say he is at this point in his career. He doesn't even start for his national team, and he's yet to show that he can maintain a level of consistency over a full season with Arsenal (he is very hot and cold, a typical trait of young players). Darren, I actually do like Alex. We've had our disagreements over time, yes, but I don't dislike him for that or disrespect him for that at all.

Fabregas is not a world-class player..yet. He has the potential to be, definitely, but I can't say he is at this point in his career. He doesn't even start for his national team, and he's yet to show that he can maintain a level of consistency over a full season with Arsenal (he is very hot and cold, a typical trait of young players).

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