21 Responses

  1. Simon Green
    January 26, 2010 at 6:04 am | | Reply


    Actually the Liverpool FC website has been designed and built by Bluhalo as well as the Spurs site. The difference is that future development is carried out together with the club.

  2. The Gaffer
    January 26, 2010 at 6:42 am | | Reply


    Thanks Simon for clarifying that. I researched and researched and couldn’t find any mention of an agency who were involved in redesigning Liverpool’s site. Nice work!

    Cheers,
    The Gaffer

  3. Jim Randall
    Jim Randall
    January 26, 2010 at 7:15 am | | Reply


    Man City site cost over £2.5million to build, can you see Bolton or Burnley investing in that? Your article is so ill informed its actually amusing! ever heard of football league interactive? who own all the club digital rights? Any idea how much a website with video production etc costs to maintain? Poor journalism

    1. The Gaffer
      January 26, 2010 at 7:25 am | | Reply


      Jim, yes I do know how much it costs to maintain a football site and the cost you mention for Man City is definitely an extreme. Clubs will smaller budgets could do a much better job than what they have now and generate more revenue as a result. Most clubs and the league itself do a horrible job at marketing themselves online. Their websites are a perfect example of how not to do business.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

    2. MNUfan1991
      MNUfan1991
      January 26, 2010 at 8:24 am | | Reply


      Moneybags will blow money on everything unimportant… like Robinho :)

  4. Matthew N
    Matthew N
    January 26, 2010 at 7:17 am | | Reply


    Liverpool’s official site and online video E-season thing (you pay like 6 quid a month for it) used to suck so much that I got out of the habit of visiting them. Hell, about 6 months ago, you couldn’t even view parts of their site properly in Firefox. The new site looks better, but I’ve found better alternatives in the meantime.

  5. pall_good
    pall_good
    January 26, 2010 at 7:48 am | | Reply


    Personally, I love the aston villa site, but I agree that most sites are straight garbage. And its not all about the cost, its more about the template and content. I know 15 year old kids with better sites than most championship teams. I think the article did a good job explaining why. If cost is the big issue, do a better job, get some sponsors on there and if the site is even half decent, people will want to advertise on it as it would get more hits. (I mean come on, at least have pictures of the players on the team available on the website, wtf?!?)

  6. canadianyid
    canadianyid
    January 26, 2010 at 8:13 am | | Reply


    Spurs just redesigned their site — it’s definitely less busy, but looks like someone designed it with a pre-fab template…it looks pretty amateur, and the panels (probably CMS) remind me of parked domain sites that have dubious-looking search engines.

    http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/latest_news.html

  7. JB
    JB
    January 26, 2010 at 9:04 am | | Reply


    Is it me, or is the Liverpool site the same basic layout as the Chelsea one and several others? How is it distinguished from others? If you compare them side-to-side they’re mirror images of each other. It’s great that Liverpool uses employees to maintain it (I personally work in web development as a PM) but the design looks the same as many others.

    I really like Man City’s layout and scheme. It looks very clean and it is very intuitive.

  8. Bishopville Red
    Bishopville Red
    January 26, 2010 at 9:19 am | | Reply


    They all tend to be template designs, which is even more surprising because they’re busy, poorly laid out templates.

    The biggest problem with official websites is twofold: (1) They offer noting but propaganda / pabulum, which even the most feverish supporter realizes is biased as hell, and (2) they want you to pay for it.

    On top of that, they have poor match day interfaces. The match centre for Manchester United, for example, is hopeless compared to Soccernet’s gamecast. A fraction of the stats and data. There are fan pages with live chats that are more informative.

    People will not pay for internet services, especially when they can get the same or better, for free, somewhere else. Football clubs need to wake up and realize that this is a great opportunity they’re pissing away.

    What would be awesome is if a club got a hold of the top 1 or 2 fan pages out there and had a conference with their webmasters to find out what fans REALLY want from the webpage, and even let them have a go at it. Obviously it would have to be a little reigned in (hard to see “Glazers out!” on MUFC.COM or the same on LFC.COM, but there are a lot of devoted fans who make sites worth reading, and have gained a significant audience, both in numbers and club-savvy.

    1. robert
      robert
      January 26, 2010 at 3:50 pm | | Reply


      “The biggest problem with official websites is… They offer nothing but propaganda / pabulum, which even the most feverish supporter realizes is biased as hell”

      …amen brother. that is THE reason.

  9. techsponge
    techsponge
    January 26, 2010 at 10:02 am | | Reply


    As a ManUtd fan in the US I agree the sites are terrible. As a sport that is watched worldwide, they really do not care about there online presence. All of the teams should be using the internet to push their teams, information and image out as much as possible. Twitter, Facebook, iPhone apps, video feeds, etc. Manchester United does not have a iPhone App. The video feeds as so bad in quality and Low Res that they are not watchable. They do offer a RSS feed but that is about it. I tried to use the forums but that is a joke to.

    Not all teams can do something big and expensive but at least try. As for the big teams they really need to setup the game. I do like what Manchester City has done with there site though.

    One side note. I do not like what they have done with the teams sites but the MLB has done a great job with making all their games available to watch online or on your mobile phone, with stats, top plays, etc. Because EPL is watched worldwide this should be something they should be considering.

  10. Paul Russell
    January 26, 2010 at 10:12 am | | Reply


    Gaffer, you obviously know very little. I am fairly close to the situation having worked for IMG New Media in the past.

    The Perform sites as you refer to them are part of FLi, a centrally controlled subsidiary of the Football League. There are now 8 clubs from FLi in the Premier League. This is a template driven approach, and you know what the clubs like it, because they get sites for free and all receive major dividends from the various revenue streams Perform / FLi drive on their behalf.

    Perform also manage and run Chelsea, Sunderland, Villa and West Ham’s sites which are much different.

    Your key finding about Man City may well have some truth, however they spend £1.5m per year on their site….the filthy arabs, which is c. x10 more than anyone else…..so well done you have an advert free site.

    Get your facts right gaffer

    1. Eddie
      Eddie
      January 26, 2010 at 11:39 am | | Reply


      filthy arabs?

      Stay classy.

    2. The Gaffer
      January 26, 2010 at 12:46 pm | | Reply


      Paul, the Premier League clubs would be well advised to get out of their contracts with FLi so they can create something that actually is going to be more beneficial for the supporters and will, with some work, generate more revenue for the clubs. Right now, most of the Premier League clubs are lazy or out of touch with reality in terms of marketing, or both.

      Just because the clubs like FLi/Perform doesn’t mean they couldn’t do better and make more money through other strategies.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  11. scott
    scott
    January 26, 2010 at 10:59 am | | Reply


    Wow…why are so many of you soooooo critical of the gaffer?? I think he does a smash up job.

    Do I agree with everything he writes (or any journalist)…no.

    But, it’s got to be very difficult to cover a major sport from another country 3000 miles away…especially when the sport being covered is virtually ignored in this country. Yeah, the web has made getting news easier, but with time differences and the difficulty in face-to-face meetings it’s amazing the amount of news (especially breaking stories) that are happening on this site.

    If ya’ll think you can do better, get your domain up and running.

    Until then…keep up the good work gaffer!

    1. The Gaffer
      January 26, 2010 at 12:40 pm | | Reply


      Thanks Scott for the compliments. But no worries, I’ve been the target of a lot of abuse in the past, but I can take it ;)

      I’ll keep doing what I’m doing and will encourage the fellow bloggers on the site to do the same, which is creating remarkable content that can’t be found elsewhere.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  12. Jason
    Jason
    January 26, 2010 at 11:37 am | | Reply


    From what I’ve seen the best sites are:

    1. Man City
    2. Portsmouth
    3. Fulham

    what do they have in common? free vidoes and highlights!

  13. Simon Burke
    Simon Burke
    January 26, 2010 at 1:26 pm | | Reply


    i dont know enough to comment about the companies themselves or the various teamsites but i can say i dislike the Arsenal site. Its too corporate and I feel every time i go to it they try to sell me something i dont want – also its club based propaganda on there so its hardly a valid news source. I tend to get my best football/Arsenal news from other sites on the web and rarely bother with the official site which now has an ArsenalUSA section. I know Gaffer wasnt too keen on USA versionings of sites.

  14. boringarsenal
    January 26, 2010 at 2:01 pm | | Reply


    What could be worse than the official Premier League website-feh! The are so tight-fisted. These blokes should pick up a few tips from the NFL, they really need a lesson in showmanship!
    Thank goodness for the Beeb, although it’s largely free of the flashiness of many club sites, it provides a clean commentary and easy to navigate interface. And, Gaffer, I agree with you regarding Manchester City’s web site; clean, attractive and up to date.

  15. Haywain
    Haywain
    January 26, 2010 at 3:20 pm | | Reply


    The problem is that the Premier League clubs can’t get out of FLi, any more than the clubs who have left the Football League in the opposite direction can. They are tied in to a long term contract which has (I believe) another 18 months or so to run. Apart from tying the clubs in, there’s little incentive for Perform to come up with something better. There are a good few clubs who look forward to the opportunity to do their own thing in the future.

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