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  1. Ollie Irish
    April 21, 2010 at 7:04 am | | Reply


    A minor correction, Gaffer: I’m English and have lived in England for all of my 36 years. I currently reside in London. Hope this tilts the balance a wee bit!

    Best,
    Ollie
    Ed. Who Ate All The Pies

    1. The Gaffer
      April 21, 2010 at 2:17 pm | | Reply


      Thanks Ollie. I should have known better there!

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  2. Gary Andrews
    April 21, 2010 at 7:17 am | | Reply


    I would be hugely surprised if it’s down to bandwidth and broadband, certainly not in this day and age. If somebody wants to blog, they’ll blog, regardless. As somebody who regularly gets together with other bloggers at assorted events or communicates via email, this has never once come up.

    It is a good question and, and I think it can be answered by looking at a lot of the blogs on that list.

    Many of them are group blogs or willingly accept guest posts, so it’s often easier to post on other blogs than start your own, especially if you’re covering the whole of football. It’s the 98:1:1 rule – you’ve got the committed 1% who start blogs, a further 1% who write for them and the rest are readers.

    In my case, I’d thought about starting a football blog for a while but hadn’t got the time or the wherewithal to start one, so I asked Ahmed if I could post on Soccerlens. Since then, I’ve written for Pitch Invasion and Twofootedtackle, plus the occasional piece in When Saturday Comes, plus I’ve had invitesto write for other places. In comparison, my own football blog (on Exeter City) is poorly neglected. (I’m UK based, btw)

    Inevitably, any writer will want the biggest possible audience for the work and uless they’re prepared to spend the time and effort ploughing away creating their own blog, keeping it updated, waiting for it to show up in search results and the like, it’s often easier to write for somebody else or for a bigger, more established blogs.

    Not being based in the States, this next bit is probably conjecture, but I’m guessing that because soccer is more of a niche sport in comparison to other offerings and people are more passionate about it (the more niche the topic, the more individual blogs, in my experience).

    Also, Just Football (UK), Touchline Views (Ireland) and Back Page Football (Ireland) are all excellent blogs as well.

  3. Ollie Irish
    April 21, 2010 at 7:26 am | | Reply


    I might add: In the UK, the ‘professional’ mainstream media is so well-oiled and comprehensive in its coverage of football (how can Who Ate All the Pies hope to compete with the Guardian, Times etc.?) that there is less of a need for bloggers to fill the gaps. Hence the presence of more high-quality ‘amateurs’ in the States and elsewhere.

    Interesting debate though.

  4. robbohuyton
    April 21, 2010 at 7:28 am | | Reply


    In the UK we get wall-to-wall general football coverage from Sky Sports, the newspapers, the radio – I think with all that already out there it’s quite difficult to come up with something original for a general football blog.

    I write a blog about Liverpool – Well Red (www.robbohuyton.blogspot.com) – which has now developed into a magazine of the same name. I think team-specific blogs and sites CAN compete with the some of the general media output because often that is skewed, unfair, agenda-led and so on.

    My other point would be that the best writing comes from being passionate about a topic – and the passion for your own team is always going to outweigh a general passion for the game, in my book, anyway.

  5. kyith
    April 21, 2010 at 7:29 am | | Reply


    There is only one good soccer blog in my dictionary.

    http://www.zonalmarking.net

  6. insideleft.net
    April 21, 2010 at 7:32 am | | Reply


    insideleft, a blog about Scottish football, comes to you from the scottish footballing heartland of south Amsterdam …

  7. Tom Williams
    April 21, 2010 at 7:45 am | | Reply


    One of the key issues here is access. If you pick up a British newspaper and look at the sports pages, the chances are that the majority of the stories will be quotes pieces based upon something that a player, coach or chairman has said. There’s much less writing about the game itself, particularly when compared with countries like France and Italy.

    A natural by-product of this is that British football fans assume that football journalism is all about getting quotes rather than writing about what happens on the pitch. If you equate decent football writing with access to the players and coaches, you’re less likely to think it’s something you could do yourself.

    American sports journalism has long been more open-minded and innovative than its UK counterpart, particularly with regard to its focus on things like statistics and tactical analysis, and in a journalistic climate where access to the players is not the be-all and end-all, it’s perhaps understandable that more people will feel entitled to express their views on the game.

    1. wozza
      wozza
      April 21, 2010 at 8:30 am | | Reply


      I guess it depends which newspapers you read. The Guardian for example has pretty comprehensive match coverage. There are fewer stats than in the US, though, as football isn’t a stats driven game, unlike most US sports.

  8. Dan
    Dan
    April 21, 2010 at 7:46 am | | Reply


    The internet speed is a red herring IMO. My understanding from friends and family back home is that they generally have access to faster speeds that are often cheaper than my Verizon DSL. I don’t know about caps, but that wouldn’t effect anyone I know. It certainly wouldn’t stop anyone getting going on Blogger or WordPress.

    In my case at least – I’ve lived here 5 years now – Gary’s conjecture isn’t far from the mark. In England, it would actually be difficult to get through a day without having some sort of soccer news thrown at you at some point. You take it for granted.

    Here, I’m not going to hear a bulletin on the car radio on my way home telling me about the latest result in Scunthorpe. Or Aston Villa for that matter. I have to go looking for it.

    Eventually that daily thirst for news becomes an obsession. I found sites I liked and sites I didn’t. Ultimately, I thought that a) I could do a better job and/or b) at least offer something the others don’t. Namely (look out, shameless plug) comprehensive stats, technical analysis, wallpaper and other art, plus a more rational, reasoned opinion than a lot of the tabloid-style, popularist rants that inhabit the blogosphere.

    The bottom line is that being separated seems to help with remaining focused on what’s important and avoid getting caught up in all the white noise that’s engulfing the folk back home.

    The downside, of course, has to be the time difference.

  9. Tim Morgan
    April 21, 2010 at 8:04 am | | Reply


    I agree that the Guardian, Sky, BBC etc do an excellent job breaking general football news and discussion.

    As for club blogs they can be too fanatical (cant change their mind, wont change the subject). This is the purpose of them but it makes them hard to read for people who arent equally as fanatical about the specific club.

    Some of the UK blogs on your list and the Football Ramble podcast do a great job of doing stuff the big generalists cant do (eg speak with a human voice) whilst leaving their club colours at the door.

  10. Chowie
    Chowie
    April 21, 2010 at 8:10 am | | Reply


    Some great points here, having lived in both Football is 24-7 in the UK now and everywhere, fans internet forums (established ones) are still booming it seems but mainly people looking for gossip! I agree with Tom about US sports journalism being different too.

    And still probably one of the hottest UK hot-spots for Football debate is still… The Pub.

  11. Steve
    Steve
    April 21, 2010 at 8:41 am | | Reply


    A Different League – http://www.adifferentleague.co.uk – is new, like a quality newspaper. Thats from the uk

  12. Jonathan
    April 21, 2010 at 11:51 am | | Reply


    Ahem *coughs*

    http://www.just-football.com/

    based in UK. Thankyou Mr. Andrews by the way.
    ;-)

    But the issue of widespread mass media coverage of football in the UK probably does contribute – one thing I’m always surprised by is the complete lack of knowledge about football blogs by the public outside the blogosphere. Even the top blogs aren’t really known on any major level – if you ask a football fan in UK to name a good football website invariably you’ll get Football365, The Guardian football, the BBC blogs or a tabloid paper as your answer.

    Not sure how that compares to across the pond, although general knowledge about football is more scarce and hence more opportunity.

  13. Stuart Fuller
    April 21, 2010 at 12:18 pm | | Reply


    Our blog covers football in England right from the Rymans League up to the Premier League…We also love our awaydays in Scandinavia.

  14. Michael
    April 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm | | Reply


    The realistic answer? In general, English football fans aren’t very knowledgeable about the game.

    1. The Gaffer
      April 21, 2010 at 2:19 pm | | Reply


      Michael, I think it’s more that the English football fans haven’t been able to come up with creative ideas for blogs that would stand on their own. Yours is an example of a need that football fans had and you’ve done a superb job. I just hope that there are more people like you in the UK who can come up with equally compelling ideas for blogs and to execute on those ideas.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      1. Michael
        April 22, 2010 at 1:59 pm | | Reply


        Perhaps, but even on specific club blogs where there is a large audience, the actual level of discussion is quite poor.

        There’s a few decent UK football blogs that focus on a kinda ‘fan experience’ point of view of football, but rarely is there a great level of insight.

        In the US there seems to be culture of analysis and intelligent discussion of sport (much like in Europe) but in the UK this is sadly lacking. I mean, there’s simply no reason why there should be any lack of ‘creative ideas’, I generally just think there’s quite a basic, uninformed approach to football in the UK.

        1. The Gaffer
          April 22, 2010 at 2:55 pm | | Reply


          The one thing I’m always bemused by when it comes to British football fans is the percentage of those folks who write some really awful stuff on message forums and in the comments section of blogs. Some Brits are very articulate but there is a lot of garbage out there.

          Cheers,
          The Gaffer

          1. wozza
            wozza
            April 22, 2010 at 3:27 pm |


            Not sure what being British has to do with it, Gaffer. All blogs, bloggers and commenters are guilty of spouting rubbish at some point or other. This site included. And even naturalised yanks!

  15. Chris O
    April 21, 2010 at 3:19 pm | | Reply


    First of all Gaffer, thanks very much for mentioning ‘Some People Are On The Pitch’ in such high regard. It’s much appreciated. :)

    In response to your question, I think many UK-based football fans might feel they’ve missed the boat by now where blogging is concerned. Blogging has been with us for about five years or so now, and it’s not difficult to find someone writing about a particular aspect of the game, be it a team, a league or a geographical area. Anyone wanting to start a football blog now is quite likely to feel they’re merely duplicating the work of someone somewhere in their own country or around the world.

    It’s very difficult to be original nowadays and that, as much as anything, is a factor in why there aren’t more football blog sites… unless you like re-hashing material from other people’s sites, that is.

    I also totally agree with my good friend from TwoFootedTackle, Gary Andrews. If you don’t feel capable of setting up a blogsite of your own, it’s very easy to find someone else’s that will let you write for it, as is becoming more and more common these days. A convenient solution for any ‘part-time’ writer.

  16. Tim
    Tim
    April 21, 2010 at 5:49 pm | | Reply


    I guess the brits is in the pub watching football on the telly :-)

  17. Andrew Weber
    April 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm | | Reply


    Such a privilege to be noted as the only ‘good’ blog from Australia. Cheers for that.

    My opinion on why the proportion of good blogs in England is less than overseas is because the internet works best in creating communities for people who cannot participate directly in those communities.

    I can see a lot of English supporters seeing no real need to participate online because they are so close to the game, so exposed to daily newspapers and TV information, that it is not necessary. When you’re overseas the news coverage you get is mostly via the internet and it seems natural that there are more blogs as a result.

  18. Carla
    April 21, 2010 at 8:43 pm | | Reply


    Have a look at mine…
    Http://thesoccerroom.com
    I’m on Vancouver Island in Canada

  19. Stuart Fuller
    Stuart Fuller
    April 22, 2010 at 3:34 am | | Reply


    Sorry – I should have added my blog title – http://theballisround.co.uk

  20. Kevin Coleman
    May 30, 2010 at 9:56 am | | Reply


    I like to think our BackPageFootball.com is among the best, with mainly Irish and English input.

  21. football gifts
    July 10, 2010 at 2:20 am | | Reply


    Hmmmm, good point, I found most UK Soccer blogs are club specific, maybe it stems from the intense rivalry between clubs.

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